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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg

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so our friendly neighborhood co-host

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Chris O'Brien is on the road this week

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we have them where are you as a matter

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of fact we're in the world on this

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planet are you or are you on another

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planet I'm back in colorful Colorado

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here in Boulder at a great time speaking

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with the paranormal group in Denver and

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had a great turnout had a lot of fun

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sanitized my presentation a little bit

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but for the most part had a good time

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and hey even sold a few books cheap well

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that's the one thing too the more you

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give the lectures the better they are

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it's kind of like radio broadcasting

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well know year after year you get better

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and better at it

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except for me I of course in

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deteriorating rapidly and soon my brain

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will turn to sawdust but until then I'm

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gonna keep going well I thought you were

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gonna say how can you improve on

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perfection there is that okay I didn't

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want to say that because people will

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think gee he's just an egomaniac he has

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to be an egomaniac to go on the radio

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and think each and every week that he's

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going to be listened to but I have to

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tell you that we did something

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technically to our sights over the past

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week some of you were getting these

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weird messages on the screen about

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something called cloud flare and cloud

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flare is a worldwide content management

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network what does that mean

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it means that our site is now available

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around the world through 14 different

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network systems and what is means is

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that our traffic is up 25 to 50 percent

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over what it was a couple of weeks ago

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so yeah we see more activity in the

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forum's we have more listeners

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downloading the episodes after their

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broadcast over GCN an incredible amount

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thousands of thousands of new listeners

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are hearing the power cast

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I welcome cloud having a

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having an embarrassing moment well you

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know Godzilla has been having an

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embarrassing woman since that last film

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where they tried to remake our Zilla if

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you remember that

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yeah with Matthew Broderick right that

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was produced by the people who brought

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you Independence Day and if you could

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believe that Apple PowerBook from the

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mid 90s can communicate wirelessly with

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an alien network and bring down their

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system with a computer virus you can

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believe anything well you notice they

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were using an apple not a PC there is

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that there is that indeed you know we

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talk so much about our forms and the

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increased activity sometimes the

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discussions get interesting or offbeat

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it's not just about UFOs paranormal

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subjects or crop circles which will be

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our major point of discussion in a few

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minutes when we meet our guest this week

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they talk about things like vaccinations

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do you think that children should be

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vaccinated there's an argument that says

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no they shouldn't because it increases

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the possibility of autism well I don't

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know some of the conversations I've been

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scratching my head going you know why

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why are we talking about this it's it's

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not really paranormal but in the

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freewheelin general free will even

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chitchat

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the threats boy I guess I guess you know

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sky's the limit for subject matter it's

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been it's been very interesting over the

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past three weeks you know people used to

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argue about and we haven't started this

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argument yet and now you'll see it about

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fluoride putting fluoride in water which

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was supposed to of course reduce the

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incidence of cavities which is why I

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guess children have less dental problems

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than adults but over the years there

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were arguments about it in fact Ray

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Palmer the God we remember from the

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shaver mystery from his involvement in

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the Maury island hoax or whatever it was

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you know Ray Palmer the co-founder of

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fate magazine in the 50s and 60s he was

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arguing with his readers over whether

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water should be fluoridated can you

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believe his eye did he come down on

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against anybody he said it was cause

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mottled teeth you know discolored ugly

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looking teeth on the other hand if it

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was a choice of having teeth it did look

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quite as good and fewer cavities you

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know where I go yeah

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you go to the bleaching salon there in

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Scottsdale exactly you know I'll put

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some money together go to the bleaching

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salon or use one of those substances you

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can buy to bleach your those mouth

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guards that have that weird stuff in it

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well know that because one of the people

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in our forums will say that's dangerous

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it contains mercury or something well as

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long as they they keep me out of it and

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don't start dogging me too bad I'm I'm

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okay I love to sit on the on the fence

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and on in the peanut gallery and just

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observe the repartee we have some very

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intelligent posters we're very

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passionate about their views and they

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talk about everything which is why we

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call a general free willing chitchat

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which is one of the boards in the

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paranormal forums over at the para cast

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com or if you want to be precise forum

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dot the para cast come and you can join

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up it's free by the way you know we're

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not charging for the message boards

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we're not charging for the show it's

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free but of course with the show you

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have to listen the commercials the price

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of free radio but we hope that you'll

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like some of the products and services

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anyway one of the proxy services we keep

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pushing of course is that five DVD set

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and I'm going to give Chris another

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chance to talk about this because it was

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the subject of one of our previous

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episodes the disclosure dialogues which

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consists of twelve hours of discussions

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it's not interviews people talking about

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disclosure people like dr. Edgar

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Mitchell Danny she and Nick Pope Richard

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Dolan Steven Bassett even although he

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paula harris we had our run-ins with her

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George Noory yeah or Snorri excuse me

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George snoring we have to correct the

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spelling on that George Knapp Linda

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perfect Ron James and Christopher

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O'Brien and many more Christopher

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o'brien doesn't even believe in

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disclosure does he well I was one of I

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think four dissenting voices in the

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project that I was asked to put together

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in an objective way and I think I did a

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pretty good job I'm pretty proud of

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winning my first Film Festival and with

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the project and then getting the

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People's Choice Award was was very very

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I think the point to mention here is

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it's kind of like a Supreme Court

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ruling and what that means is there are

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different opinions a lot of different

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opinions about disclosure whether it's

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possible whether it's worth the effort

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or just possibly running in the wrong

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direction regardless the point is that

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because it was a discussion nine eight

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of you maybe some people change their

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minds during the course of the sessions

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Danny Sheehan they had one I think one

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of the more fascinating dialogues and

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Danny I think really effectively

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convinced Richard that we need to look

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at this whole potential disclosure

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process if it's not already unfolding

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but look at it from a grassroots point

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of view and really organize in the

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communities in the synagogues temples

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and churches and in civic groups and

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create a groundswell of a indignation

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that the politicians can't ignore and

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that will have at least more of a chance

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than what we have now with that's it's

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petitioning the White House efforts I

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applaud the stick-to-itiveness that he

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has and you know he's a real he's a real

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trooper but unless you do it from the

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grassroots up it's really it just

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doesn't have a chance of happening if

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there's anything even to disclose to

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begin with and this is an election year

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so you don't think Obama's going wand

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would made yeah we take UFO seriously

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because the people on the other side

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going to say see the presidents and

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wacko already they're calling him

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everything on the earth and beyond of

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course each party will call the other

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horrible things so therefore this will

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make it worse it's not politically

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correct this year to have disclosure

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even if it was going to happen it was

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gonna happen maybe in 2013 it's a toxic

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third rail indeed now the subject of our

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discussion today may or may not be

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related to UFOs it's predominantly crop

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circles yeah funny you should mention

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that I have a talk that I'm giving here

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in Boulder that's looking at the

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potential connection or the implied

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connection between UFOs crop circles

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alien abductions all manner of religious

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miracles and crypto zoo

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logical creatures and paranormal events

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but in today's show we're gonna be

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talking with one of the preeminent

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researchers in the crop circle

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I've known Nancy for many years she is a

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real straight shooter I think that her

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work along with BLT research and dr.

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Levin good was pioneering in this field

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of diagnostic science as it relates to

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to the crop circle phenomenon Nancy's

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been really pushing behind the scenes to

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get access to more gear better

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scientists and she has a really cool

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announcement that she's gonna be making

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on tonight's show related to some of her

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ongoing work in research and I'm really

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looking forward to getting the details

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from her tonight

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yes she's making progress Nancy Talbot

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coming up next with gene and Chris

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location in Colorado we have Nancy

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Talbott and the focus is primarily on

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crop circle research but she has an

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organization she works with called BLT

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research and when I think of that I

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think someone is making sandwiches for

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people what's this about Nancy well when

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we first started it was a very casual

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getting together of the Michigan bio

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physicist William Levengood that's the L

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John Burke who was a businessman very

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interested in electrical phenomena

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that's the B and me Nancy Talbott that's

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the T and in England people wanted to

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know what to call us and so just be I

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was joking I was just being silly I

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looked at our last names and I thought

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oh good BLT that's easy to remember and

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figured I might as well be the tomato

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and so I named it BLT research because

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we had to have a name and I am the

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tomato and Jonathan horses died now

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Levengood is very elderly and we now

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have a number of other consulting

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scientists in the group by BLT is what's

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stuck so if you want to have a sandwich

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you could have it in honor of the

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original founders of the organization

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exactly okay all right I used to have

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BLT sandwiches when I was just a little

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kid brings me back to that ok crop

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circle research I think we should look

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at the history here because I think the

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common perception on the part of lots of

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people is oh they've got those crazy

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people who go out into the wilderness in

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the United Kingdom and they make crop

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circles it's kind of hard work so how do

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we distinguish that from the mystery in

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general what's our history well there

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are three scientific peer-reviewed

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published papers that we did back in the

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90s

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presenting the

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changes the results of the examinations

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of thousands and I mean thousands of

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plant samples and controls from crop

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circles in England in Holland in Germany

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in Israel in Australia in Canada in the

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US and nowadays in many other places

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Poland in a number of others but in the

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genuine phenomenon when it's not

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mechanically flattened by people you

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find certain basic changes in the plants

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certain changes in the growth habit of

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the seeds taken from those plants there

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is also the presence of these tiny

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little magnetic spheres found in the

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soils and then the most recent in-depth

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study was of specific clay minerals in

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the crop circle soils which show changes

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that absolutely 100% knock out the idea

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that mechanical flattening with planks

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boards whatever could possibly be the

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cause now how far back can we take the

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crop circle phenomenon it appears that

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it may have been occurring historically

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as far back as the 1500s obviously we

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don't have aerial photographs from back

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then but there are writings by science

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people in the UK and I love leisure

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cloths the wood block of the mowing

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devil that's pretty famous that I've

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seen in a number of books

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well that one I'm not so sure about I'm

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more confident of the stuff that we put

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in our other facts section in which the

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the british science journal nature in

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july of 1880 published a letter from one

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of the scientists in which he described

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and also drew pictures of these events

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which he had found on his own farm in

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southern england and so at least back to

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1880 and then in snar in 1686 there was

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another thing written called natural

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history of stafford year

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in which also another scientist had

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drawn illustrations of what looked like

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crop circles that he also had found in

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southern England on his estate so when

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did they start originally I don't know

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we do know as far back as this it

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appears they were occurring and the

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current flap began in the 70s and it was

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Pat Delgado in 1981 yeah it was 81 I'm

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writing this up right now because of

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something that's just happened

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Pat Delgada was the first person to not

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only notice them in England in current

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times but to begin studying them and he

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notified the media of three circles

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which he had discovered and was looking

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at at a place called Ches foot head in

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1981 and from there it took off like a

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moody goose a moody goose a moody goose

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in other words fur flying in every

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direction of course and then we have

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Colin Andrews of course got involved

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coined the term Michael Glickman was

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another early pioneer one of my favorite

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books on the crop circle phenomenon

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I actually was given to me by by

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Laurance Rockefeller it's called corn

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circles in it traces the patterning of

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complexity from 1986 and just wooden

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head all the way to the mid 90s and it

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shows the patterning of complexity in

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the phenomenon but we do know Nancy that

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there are groups of people that are

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going out there team satan john i think

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is a lumber and others of matthew

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williams who claim that they're hoaxing

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some of these of the more elaborate

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circles where do you come down on the

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let's say a percentage of anomalous

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nobody can give you an accurate

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percentage Chris because the only way

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you could do that is to test them all if

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you tested in let's say one summer if

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you tested every single circle in at

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least one country in one summer then you

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could come up with a statistic and

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nobody has ever done it we can't afford

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ourselves the amount of money that would

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take to do in England when you get at

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least 50 or 60 every summer that would

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take years of work and a great deal of

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money so

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there's no data that would tell you what

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percentage from the work that we did in

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the 90s where I was deciding completely

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at random which circles we would sample

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this is when I had three or four or five

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teams in England some of whom were paid

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some of whom were volunteers one of whom

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was a professional AG person because I

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didn't want any bias in the sampling

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these people would only sample the ones

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I chose and I did it with a random thing

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here which would tell me sometimes I

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would pick every fifth circle sometimes

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I'd pick two right in a row sometimes I

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pick you know every seventh or eighth

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and then they would go and do the same

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protocol in every case do the sampling

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of the plants inside and out and the

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soils inside and out and then all of

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this stuff once the plants were dried

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down I had to rent barns and things like

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that to hang the plants up because if

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you mail them before they're dry you get

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this opportunistic fungus that grows and

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it makes it impossible to do the work

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contamination of evidence then yes okay

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so in those years when we were getting

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many many circles from the UK at least

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80 85 percent of what we looked at

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turned out to be the real McCoy but

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remember we only sampled erratically was

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very erratic on purpose I didn't look at

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him I did not make the judgment to

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sample based on what they looked like at

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all I simply picked you know I decide

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one year we're gonna do every third one

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or every tenth one and then we're gonna

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do two and then it's kind of a

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randomized selection we're going to

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explore a lot more about crop circles

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but more important to some of the most

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recent developments that make this even

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a more compelling mystery to confront we

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have Nancy Talbot of BLT research with

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gene and Chris you're in the pear cast

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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

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hear stuff here that you probably won't

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hear anywhere else hear that George

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snoring Chris is sounding mysterious

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when you set him up on location the

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voice deepens you know the trickster

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starts to take control well I I want to

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get back to that point Nancy made before

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the break that that you guys would I

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think it sounds like a very good random

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sampling that she were you know giving

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your researchers and investigators in

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the field specific random circles to

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sample it about in 99 I seem to recall

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that Colin Andrews made a big

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announcement and he claimed that he

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thought up to 80% of cop circles were

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hoax and and he was getting out of the

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crop circle field and selling off his

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research even was he were you working

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with him at that point

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was he aware of the results you were

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getting by 99 no I haven't had any do

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Colin in many many years that statement

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of his in my opinion was made just to

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get attention I have never seen any data

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that would support you know that

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statement well I was very surprised when

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I when I heard him say that because III

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I felt that there there is much more

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based on your work obviously and the

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work of others that that there there is

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a true mystery there and to discount it

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in one Chris I mean he'll if they all I

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want is important yeah and explained

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then there's a mystery and in another

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thing that he made that crunch by that

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David would tell you that yeah and by

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that time in 99 you'd also built he had

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done the bovine excision site study and

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you found very compelling evidence that

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seemed to correlate the types of results

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that you were finding in cattle

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mutilation sites with some of the

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results you were finding in the crop

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circles including the case that I was

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involved with in the San Luis Valley

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where you found hundreds of times the

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amount of magnetite around the actual

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animal versus the amount of magnetite

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missiles added control distances so you

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know I think that there's definitely

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something there and I I really urge our

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our listeners to go to the BLT site you

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have a wonderful site that has a ton of

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interesting information all sorts of

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reports and case studies and we'll get

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into that later but let's let's go ahead

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and duck tail to the present Nancy and

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talk about this exciting work that

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you're doing now

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why don't you kind of set the table for

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us a little and describe what you're

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currently working on and let's tell the

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people first of all that all that early

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plant work is on on the website under

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the plant abnormalities section then

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underneath that you will find the

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magnetic material in the soils and

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beneath that the thing that I want to

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start with today which is the clay

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mineral x-ray diffraction study that we

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did on a crop circle a seven circle

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event that occurred in Edmonton Alberta

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Canada in 1999 and I recently as you

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know have put up an unsolved mysteries a

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clip from unsolved mysteries which talks

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about with something we didn't know at

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the time we did this study it wasn't so

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we were finished that we discovered this

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but apparently there were multiple

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witnesses eyewitnesses to UFOs directly

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over the study field just prior to the

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circle being discovered now I didn't

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know that and none of our scientists did

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until the work was all finished but when

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you read through the results of that

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study and you begin to understand what

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they mean the UFO presence then becomes

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perhaps quite significant the objectives

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of that study the x-ray diffraction

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study was to look at certain clay

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minerals a woman in Logan Utah a

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geologist who was a who had read our

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work her work her personal work was the

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heat effects on clay minerals and she

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knew that Lavin

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had proposed that there was a heating

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agency probably microwaves involved in

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the crop circle causation what she

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reasoned was if he was correct and it

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was microwaves or something like that

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causing these changes in the plants you

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ought to also find evidence of that heat

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in these clay minerals now what she did

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was she went and sampled took a few

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samples from a clock crop circle at

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Logan Utah which was near her house and

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she did a study

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it's called x-ray diffraction you

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extract the clay minerals from the soils

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you put them on a mount and the mount is

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then put into the x-ray diffraction

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:02,990
machine the machine simply bombards the

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sample with x-rays and produces a graph

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which material scientists know how to

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read the graph then shows you the type

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of minerals which are in that sample and

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it also tells you the degree of

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crystallization of those minerals now

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changes in these very specific clay

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minerals that we were looking at occur

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in nature only in sedimentary rock

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this is sediments that have then had

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slowly you know mountains built up over

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the sediments pressing down with the

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weight of all this other soil literally

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mountains it's what they call geologic

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pressure the combination of that and

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heat from the Earth's core over

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thousands of years is what can produce

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this increase in the crystalline

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structure of these la smectite minerals

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in the soils now we did not think we

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were going to find that because it is

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only seen in sedimentary rock but we

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decided to go ahead and try it anyhow

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00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:18,080
the reason we did was that Rockefeller

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had contacted me wanted I had offered

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money to do another study and since we

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thought this was a sensible thing to

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check

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we offered this as a possible study it's

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the one he wanted us to do and so we did

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and what we did in this case was very

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carefully again first of all the circle

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00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:42,039
occurs and it occurs in a barley field

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that is infested with Canadian thistle

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this is a very thick sharp you know long

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all sorts little sharp things on it

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plant the field was filled with this

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stuff it's impossible to move around in

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such a place without high leather boots

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because you really tear your legs to

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pieces at any rate that's where the

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circle was we could see visually the

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elongated top note the apical node we

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00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:11,649
could see expulsion cavities these holes

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00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:14,589
blown out at the lower nodes this was a

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00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:16,869
very good indicator that that particular

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00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:19,540
crop circle would be a good one to use

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as the study circle and so we chose it

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and what happened then was I picked a

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00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:28,960
field worker team a brand new one people

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00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:30,580
who had never done anything like this

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before they were given the protocol and

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all they did was go in and follow

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00:34:38,339 --> 00:34:37,929
exactly what the protocol told them to

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do

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taking plant samples and a plant sample

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is about 20 plants sliced off at the

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base right where it comes out of the

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soil and then a soil sample taken at

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00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:52,750
exactly the same location this was done

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throughout three of the circles and then

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00:35:01,380 --> 00:34:57,730
of course way out into the field for the

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controls those plants and those soils

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were then sent to a number of different

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scientists the plants went to Levengood

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who did what he always does he measured

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the top nodes he counted the expulsion

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cavities he did growth experiments all

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of which produced statistically

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00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:18,970
significant findings there were you know

829
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there was no D long Gatien there were

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expulsion cavities

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there were growth abnormalities now we

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have to translate this to English a

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little bit here because we're not all

834
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scientists and we need to understand

835
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what this means so are we saying then

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that some kind of external force created

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them and we have to assume it's

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intelligent no

839
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I didn't say anything like that I said

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simply that the plants take him from

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inside the circle had the top node in

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those plans well we're looking right now

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at the reaction of the chemical reaction

844
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to the plants that were subjected you

845
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don't know what caused it we simply know

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it's happened okay so we look at the

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effects yeah the first thing you do is

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you document the effect the idea as to

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what caused it is something you develop

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based on the entire group of effects you

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document you don't take just one effect

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you look at them all together and then

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you try to come up with some sort of an

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answer as to what could have caused it

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now and that's something as we progress

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through the show exactly try to

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understand and look at the latest

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research and see if we can get a handle

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on what the heck is going on we have

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Nancy Talbot at BLT

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is the gold standard of paranormal radio

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listen to it if you can we have Nancy

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town for the PLT research we're focusing

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on crop circles and what she's doing now

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is going into the analysis of the circle

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how plants reacted what's going on and

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we're trying to get an overall picture

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of what this means so we understand the

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effect and maybe that will give us more

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clues as to the cause currency perfect

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yes

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okay so lemon good does his standard

977
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plant thing he has nothing to do with

978
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any of the rest of the work I went

979
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looking for a materials scientist too

980
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who had never heard of crop circles I

981
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wanted no bias whatsoever in this work I

982
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:04,890
found a man on the west coast dr.

983
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Sampath Iyengar who is a credentialed

984
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material scientist with his own

985
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laboratory he had never heard of crop

986
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circles didn't have the faintest idea

987
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,150
what they were his job was simply to

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I sent the soil samples to him he

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extracted the clay minerals he mounted

990
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:26,040
them on these mounts that go in the

991
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:28,860
machine and then he ran the x-ray

992
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:31,590
diffraction machine that's all he did

993
00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:35,130
and he produced these graphs which the

994
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:38,070
machine produces which then have to be

995
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:41,220
analyzed in order to see whether there's

996
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:43,350
any change in the crystalline structure

997
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:47,160
of these very specific clays that's not

998
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,050
what he does all he does is run the

999
00:42:57,110 --> 00:42:52,640
equipment I then took his results and

1000
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:57,120
hired a statistician and again I went

1001
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:58,890
looking for one who had never heard of

1002
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:01,140
crop circles and I found a guy with an

1003
00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:04,680
MIT background who was available had

1004
00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:07,590
never heard of crop circles and the data

1005
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:09,950
that had been gathered by SAM Iyengar

1006
00:43:15,269 --> 00:43:13,350
was then sent to the statistician it's

1007
00:43:17,130 --> 00:43:15,279
important also to know that

1008
00:43:19,739 --> 00:43:17,140
these people know each other these are

1009
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:19,749
all people I pick totally independently

1010
00:43:26,789 --> 00:43:23,049
of each other the statistician was given

1011
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:26,799
the results of the soil samples first

1012
00:43:33,329 --> 00:43:30,400
and asked simply to run these basic

1013
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:33,339
statistical analyses to tell us whether

1014
00:43:39,539 --> 00:43:37,359
in fact was there a change was there a

1015
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:39,549
difference in the crystalline the

1016
00:43:44,999 --> 00:43:41,650
ordering of the crystalline structure in

1017
00:43:47,849 --> 00:43:45,009
the samples as opposed to the controls

1018
00:43:50,819 --> 00:43:47,859
outside the circles we thought there was

1019
00:43:53,219 --> 00:43:50,829
none Sam and I both from looking at the

1020
00:43:56,219 --> 00:43:53,229
peaks thought no there there wasn't

1021
00:43:58,829 --> 00:43:56,229
going to be and Sam in fact apologized

1022
00:44:01,079 --> 00:43:58,839
to me because it cost quite a bit of

1023
00:44:03,659 --> 00:44:01,089
money to get this work done and he said

1024
00:44:06,089 --> 00:44:03,669
Oh Nancy I'm so sorry I think that we

1025
00:44:09,059 --> 00:44:06,099
don't have anything and I said to Sam

1026
00:44:10,919 --> 00:44:09,069
Sam we've either got it or we don't

1027
00:44:12,029 --> 00:44:10,929
this is what we're trying to find out

1028
00:44:15,449 --> 00:44:12,039
don't worry about it

1029
00:44:18,029 --> 00:44:15,459
so he sent the data off to the guy who

1030
00:44:21,209 --> 00:44:18,039
does the no actually not he sent it to

1031
00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:21,219
me and I sent it to the guy who's doing

1032
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:24,759
the statistics he did his work and after

1033
00:44:30,049 --> 00:44:26,499
he had finished he calls me up and he

1034
00:44:32,789 --> 00:44:30,059
says yes at the 95% level of confidence

1035
00:44:35,939 --> 00:44:32,799
we have a change in the crystalline

1036
00:44:39,299 --> 00:44:35,949
structure of these clay minerals inside

1037
00:44:41,489 --> 00:44:39,309
the crop circle itself compared to the

1038
00:44:44,579 --> 00:44:41,499
controls we have a statistically

1039
00:44:47,939 --> 00:44:44,589
significant change what this means is

1040
00:44:51,029 --> 00:44:47,949
that the crystalline structure of the

1041
00:44:52,979 --> 00:44:51,039
clay minerals in the surface soils we're

1042
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:52,989
not talking about sedimentary rock here

1043
00:44:59,069 --> 00:44:56,079
we're talking about surface soil those

1044
00:45:02,489 --> 00:44:59,079
clays showed the change in crystalline

1045
00:45:05,069 --> 00:45:02,499
structure I knew I'm no geologist but I

1046
00:45:07,529 --> 00:45:05,079
knew enough to know that that was very

1047
00:45:09,449 --> 00:45:07,539
significant we were not sure he was

1048
00:45:11,999 --> 00:45:09,459
right and so I actually had somebody

1049
00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:12,009
else redo the statistics and they came

1050
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:14,589
back the same way so at that point I

1051
00:45:21,809 --> 00:45:17,559
knew I needed a real authority to

1052
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:21,819
evaluate what this all meant so I went

1053
00:45:27,269 --> 00:45:24,130
to Dartmouth there's a man there who was

1054
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,279
literally the world's authority on clay

1055
00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:28,960
mentor clay mineralogy

1056
00:45:35,339 --> 00:45:31,000
and the x-ray diffraction technique this

1057
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:35,349
is dr. Robert C Reynolds jr. he was head

1058
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:37,000
of the Department of Earth Sciences at

1059
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:39,550
Dartmouth he was president previous

1060
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,890
president of the American Society of

1061
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,140
mineralogical clay mineralogy

1062
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:46,960
he was a very well known person in his

1063
00:45:52,290 --> 00:45:49,410
field and considered by his peers

1064
00:45:54,510 --> 00:45:52,300
literally to be you know the world's

1065
00:45:56,099 --> 00:45:54,520
authority in all this the fact that he

1066
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:56,109
was at Dartmouth I'm very close to

1067
00:46:01,559 --> 00:45:58,450
Dartmouth I live in Cambridge made it

1068
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:01,569
possible for me to go to him and ask him

1069
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:04,030
if he would look at our data when I

1070
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:07,510
arrived I showed him our work and he

1071
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,750
immediately said oh no no way

1072
00:46:16,589 --> 00:46:13,359
this cannot be you must have made a

1073
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:16,599
mistake because he knew that the only

1074
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:20,349
thing that can cause this change is this

1075
00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:23,980
geologic pressure or heat but mostly

1076
00:46:30,329 --> 00:46:26,589
geologic pressure so he asked if he

1077
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:30,339
could see the mounts the work that Sam

1078
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:33,670
had done and so we sent a bunch of the

1079
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,359
mounts directly to dr. Reynolds he redid

1080
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:39,040
the work on the x-ray diffraction

1081
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:41,410
machine at Dartmouth he got exactly the

1082
00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:44,140
same results he then decided that maybe

1083
00:46:48,780 --> 00:46:46,150
the statistical work was not done

1084
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:48,790
correctly and so he redid that himself

1085
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:52,630
also and he got exactly the same results

1086
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:56,950
at that point he had a few ideas about

1087
00:47:02,970 --> 00:46:59,490
what other other things that might be

1088
00:47:04,770 --> 00:47:02,980
causing what we were looking at he asked

1089
00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:04,780
us to do a little bit more work which we

1090
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:07,869
did and the additional work did not

1091
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:11,890
provide the answer at this point dr.

1092
00:47:18,359 --> 00:47:15,280
Reynolds who was slowly being a little

1093
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:18,369
bit more open with me his wife called me

1094
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:21,970
and she told me that he had heard her

1095
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:25,230
husband on the telephone with his son

1096
00:47:30,089 --> 00:47:27,790
talking about these results because he

1097
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:30,099
couldn't believe his eyes and she

1098
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:32,230
remembers and she told me this clearly

1099
00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:36,130
she heard him say to his son I wonder if

1100
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:38,190
these people know what they've got

1101
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:40,930
meaning did I know well of course I

1102
00:47:45,269 --> 00:47:42,609
didn't know in the way

1103
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:45,279
new but what he was saying was that

1104
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:47,980
these were phenomenal results he

1105
00:47:54,809 --> 00:47:51,700
couldn't explain them if you had had the

1106
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:54,819
kind of geologic pressure necessary to

1107
00:47:59,970 --> 00:47:57,430
create this change in the crystalline

1108
00:48:02,370 --> 00:47:59,980
structure you would literally have

1109
00:48:04,759 --> 00:48:02,380
obliterated the plants in that field

1110
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:04,769
you'd have smushed them into nothingness

1111
00:48:13,099 --> 00:48:09,609
he suggested that possibly maybe heat in

1112
00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:13,109
the range of 6 to 800 degrees Celsius

1113
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:18,489
for a period of hours might cause the

1114
00:48:25,019 --> 00:48:21,849
same change but obviously had there been

1115
00:48:26,759 --> 00:48:25,029
heat in the range of 6 to 800 degrees C

1116
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:26,769
even for an instant

1117
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,160
much less hours by by plans exactly the

1118
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:31,839
plants would all be gone it would be a

1119
00:48:36,690 --> 00:48:35,380
very nice little fire well it had been a

1120
00:48:40,349 --> 00:48:36,700
hell of a fire is what it would have

1121
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,359
been kind of understating it there so

1122
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:42,960
the point is that given the actual facts

1123
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,390
that the plants were intact the you know

1124
00:48:52,489 --> 00:48:48,640
none of these conditions necessary to

1125
00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:52,499
produce this change were in fact present

1126
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,920
dr. Reynolds finally said to me that in

1127
00:49:01,229 --> 00:48:59,440
his opinion and remember we're talking

1128
00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:01,239
now about a guy considered to be the

1129
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:03,940
world authority in this area he said if

1130
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:07,089
we must be looking at the effects of an

1131
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:10,329
energy unknown to science which gets

1132
00:49:14,249 --> 00:49:11,950
back to the UFO sightings that were

1133
00:49:16,589 --> 00:49:14,259
allegedly witnessed by multiple

1134
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:16,599
witnesses over the field during the time

1135
00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:18,460
period each people I didn't even know

1136
00:49:23,759 --> 00:49:21,460
about this at that time he was not at

1137
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:23,769
all it was never the UFO thing was never

1138
00:49:30,359 --> 00:49:27,130
brought up we said he knew that if you

1139
00:49:34,019 --> 00:49:30,369
can have the plants affected in one way

1140
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:34,029
and the soils immediately around them in

1141
00:49:38,579 --> 00:49:36,329
exactly the same sampling locations

1142
00:49:41,819 --> 00:49:38,589
affected in a different much more

1143
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:41,829
radical way that there's no energy known

1144
00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:43,390
to science or known to dr. Reynolds

1145
00:49:48,749 --> 00:49:46,869
anyhow that could cause those changes

1146
00:49:51,329 --> 00:49:48,759
because the next thing I did was I

1147
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:51,339
called the statistician back and I took

1148
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:54,900
all of William Levengood work

1149
00:50:01,039 --> 00:49:57,740
I took those statistics and I asked the

1150
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:01,049
statistician to see are the changes in

1151
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:03,690
the plants occurring at the same

1152
00:50:10,099 --> 00:50:07,230
sampling locations as the changes in the

1153
00:50:14,299 --> 00:50:10,109
clay minerals that result came back as

1154
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:14,309
yes at the 99% level of confidence it

1155
00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:15,720
doesn't get any better than that in

1156
00:50:21,529 --> 00:50:18,779
science I mean the 99% level of

1157
00:50:24,799 --> 00:50:21,539
confidence whatever caused the changes

1158
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:24,809
in the plants also caused the changes in

1159
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:27,089
these clay minerals is there a

1160
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,130
possibility Nancy that you could get dr.

1161
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:31,440
Reynolds - maybe co-author of paper that

1162
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,920
would be huge he and I began writing the

1163
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:36,599
paper right

1164
00:50:44,299 --> 00:50:40,559
and unfortunately part way through his

1165
00:50:46,279 --> 00:50:44,309
wife unexpectedly suddenly died dr.

1166
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,289
Reynolds was very close with his wife

1167
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:49,680
and for a while it was impossible for me

1168
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:52,740
to push I mean he was grieving and I

1169
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:55,710
just simply it wasn't right and so I let

1170
00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:59,520
several months go by and then right

1171
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:01,619
after I got in touch with him again I

1172
00:51:05,539 --> 00:51:03,720
went back up to Dartmouth and we were

1173
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,549
going to try and finish this he wanted

1174
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:07,859
me to submit it to nature and I was

1175
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:09,720
laughing to myself something to nature

1176
00:51:14,539 --> 00:51:12,569
but never but dr. Reynolds was famous

1177
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:14,549
and it was quite possible he might have

1178
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:17,430
done it with his name he wanted me to be

1179
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:19,559
the primary author and I told him that

1180
00:51:23,779 --> 00:51:21,510
was insane I'll tell you what before we

1181
00:51:26,269 --> 00:51:23,789
get too crazy we have Nancy Talbot a BLT

1182
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:26,279
research focusing on the research into

1183
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,410
crop circles trying to figure out what

1184
00:51:38,370 --> 00:51:31,680
is causing those incredible effects with

1185
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:41,980
the gzn radio network providing the

1186
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1188
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:51,590
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1203
00:52:23,860 --> 00:52:22,340
you ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

1204
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investment advisors won't talk about

1205
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gold IRAs they've been available since

1206
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1212
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1214
00:53:13,029 --> 00:53:10,549
here's Jane Steinberg as we continue

1215
00:53:15,809 --> 00:53:13,039
Nancy Talbot joins us we're focusing on

1216
00:53:19,029 --> 00:53:15,819
the frontiers of legitimate scientific

1217
00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:19,039
crop circle research no nonsense here

1218
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:21,400
trying to figure out what's going on and

1219
00:53:27,549 --> 00:53:25,520
after that maybe try to assess what the

1220
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:27,559
cause might be we're talking about the

1221
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,230
latest cutting-edge research I suggest

1222
00:53:35,859 --> 00:53:32,960
that your listeners go that's ray

1223
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:35,869
diffraction study all of this is written

1224
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:37,430
very clearly because I want to finish

1225
00:53:44,859 --> 00:53:41,089
this thing about dr. Reynolds and I he

1226
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:44,869
then unfortunately had a stroke and very

1227
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:48,170
shortly after his wife died he died also

1228
00:53:54,279 --> 00:53:51,380
and this was before we had finished the

1229
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:54,289
paper that's why I put the entire thing

1230
00:54:00,400 --> 00:53:58,400
on the website because I alone and I'm

1231
00:54:02,890 --> 00:54:00,410
not sophisticated my educational

1232
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,900
background is not strong enough for me

1233
00:54:09,789 --> 00:54:05,839
to expect nature to publish a paper

1234
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:09,799
authored by me with him gone and with no

1235
00:54:15,099 --> 00:54:12,170
other claimant Uralla gist at them at

1236
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,109
that time I'm available the only thing I

1237
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:17,599
could see to do was to write up every

1238
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,730
bit of the work which I did and it's now

1239
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:22,400
posted on the BLT site and anybody can

1240
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,220
read exactly what we did all the graphs

1241
00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:27,200
are there all the data is there and

1242
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:29,740
people can examine it however they wish

1243
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:33,260
we will by the way in our forums post a

1244
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:34,910
number of links I already have a link in

1245
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:38,150
there in our question Bank area to her

1246
00:54:42,819 --> 00:54:40,760
site to Nancy's site but will provide

1247
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:42,829
specific links to each part of the

1248
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:45,890
research so this way you can go 1 2 3 4

1249
00:54:50,650 --> 00:54:47,660
5 and get a feeling for what's going on

1250
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:50,660
I can read you the final under in the

1251
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:52,460
very beginning you're going to see

1252
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:54,650
something says study objectives and it

1253
00:54:59,289 --> 00:54:56,690
lists what we were trying to do then

1254
00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,299
right below it study results now the

1255
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:02,960
last result was that because the

1256
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:06,470
temperatures needed the 6800 BC over a

1257
00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:08,060
period of hours

1258
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:11,060
- cause crystal mike-mike a crystal

1259
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:13,880
growth would have incinerated any plant

1260
00:55:20,350 --> 00:55:17,150
material present and because we know of

1261
00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:20,360
no energy which can selectively affect

1262
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:23,180
soils to one degree and plants at the

1263
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:26,510
same locations to another we suggest

1264
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:28,790
that we are observing a new and is yet

1265
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:32,690
undiscovered energy source at work it

1266
00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:36,170
does appear that heat is involved but

1267
00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:38,540
more research is needed to determine its

1268
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:41,960
precise nature now the one thing we did

1269
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:44,510
do that we haven't talked about was we

1270
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:47,210
did take a number of control samples at

1271
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:49,940
the end of all this work because

1272
00:55:55,630 --> 00:55:52,490
Reynolds thought that we ought to test

1273
00:55:58,750 --> 00:55:55,640
the microwave theory and so we took a

1274
00:56:01,840 --> 00:55:58,760
number of controls and we submitted or

1275
00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:01,850
yes submitted those controls to

1276
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:04,660
differing amounts of microwave radiation

1277
00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:07,460
some where exposed for only a very short

1278
00:56:11,650 --> 00:56:08,390
period of time

1279
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:11,660
others were exposed to a much longer

1280
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:14,660
period of time and the idea was to see

1281
00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:18,830
if the microwave exposure would cause

1282
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:21,320
the changes that we'd actually found and

1283
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:25,520
it did not so based on that we have to

1284
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:28,270
rule out that microwave radiation alone

1285
00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:31,490
could not have caused the changes in the

1286
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:34,100
soils well I'm racking my brain trying

1287
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:36,650
to figure out how how those changes

1288
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:39,590
could have been produced in I think we

1289
00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:41,750
don't know and if you're talking to

1290
00:56:48,850 --> 00:56:45,260
people the caliber of dr. Reynolds if he

1291
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:48,860
knew of no energy capable of doing this

1292
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:51,470
then I have a little hope for myself I

1293
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:54,110
have to wait here until some huge

1294
00:57:00,820 --> 00:56:58,160
scientific discovery occurs or UFO's if

1295
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:00,830
they were in fact because to show us all

1296
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:02,450
how they did it you know I don't know

1297
00:57:07,210 --> 00:57:05,030
now the one thing here that's

1298
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:07,220
interesting the crop circles always have

1299
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:12,080
very specific shapes show a certain some

1300
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:14,330
of them are they all do they all have

1301
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:16,670
this artistic bent they have real

1302
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,280
definable shapes or are some totally

1303
00:57:24,190 --> 00:57:21,440
random some are totally

1304
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:24,200
and when you say artistic you have to

1305
00:57:28,750 --> 00:57:26,810
remember that that is a personal

1306
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:28,760
emotional response

1307
00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:31,010
how about symmetry showing something

1308
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:34,190
that indicates intelligent control in

1309
00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:35,630
the sense of the way they were designed

1310
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:38,800
there clearly are geometric

1311
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:42,050
consistencies in many of them nature of

1312
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,260
course produces geometry all the time

1313
00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:46,640
don't forget when you're thinking about

1314
00:57:51,790 --> 00:57:49,100
this the designs of saying snowflakes

1315
00:57:54,070 --> 00:57:51,800
don't forget about shells and the

1316
00:57:56,110 --> 00:57:54,080
beautiful you know designs that you see

1317
00:57:59,410 --> 00:57:56,120
in them think of a shark for instance

1318
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,420
you know roses I mean think of sunflower

1319
00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:01,760
seeds sunflower heads nature produces

1320
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:05,360
design all the time we're used to it in

1321
00:58:12,220 --> 00:58:09,620
the inflation the snowflakes we don't

1322
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,230
think of anything unusual there the fact

1323
00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:13,760
is that we the fact that we've never

1324
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,060
seen it in crop circles before if they

1325
00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:19,520
are a naturally occurring situation

1326
00:58:24,450 --> 00:58:22,430
the fact that some of them are geometric

1327
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:24,460
would not necessarily immediately

1328
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:28,610
indicate anything other than nature some

1329
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:30,500
aspect of nature that we don't currently

1330
00:58:36,310 --> 00:58:34,430
understand at work it's possible I don't

1331
00:58:39,580 --> 00:58:36,320
think it's all that likely but it's

1332
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:39,590
possible hmm so so where does the work

1333
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:41,630
go from here I mean are you going to

1334
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:44,420
contact other materials experts and see

1335
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:46,730
if you can get somebody to possibly get

1336
00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:48,020
a paper published or are you just gonna

1337
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:51,500
stay with having the data available for

1338
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:53,210
anybody interested enough to take it

1339
00:59:00,640 --> 00:58:57,680
further well it just so happens that one

1340
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:00,650
of dr. Reynolds students at Dartmouth

1341
00:59:07,060 --> 00:59:03,470
who then went on to become a clay a

1342
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:07,070
mineralogist at the USGS dr. Dennis

1343
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:11,300
ebrill has contacted me I don't know six

1344
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:13,820
months ago maybe now because he had

1345
00:59:16,830 --> 00:59:15,890
discovered the x-ray diffraction study

1346
00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:16,840
online

1347
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:20,420
he knew how brilliant Reynolds was

1348
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:22,970
because he had not only been a student

1349
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:25,310
but he had a co-authored a number of

1350
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:27,740
papers with Reynolds over the years and

1351
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:31,490
he has offered his expertise to

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00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,370
hopefully if we can find another good

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00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:37,760
Circle and have enough money to get it

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:41,990
properly sampled and all that jazz try

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00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:44,570
to replicate the study and then of

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00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:46,310
course write a paper he's considerably

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00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:49,130
younger than dr. Reynolds was and the

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00:59:54,730 --> 00:59:52,190
hope would be that he would be just fine

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00:59:57,370 --> 00:59:54,740
and survive the work and we could get

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00:59:59,620 --> 00:59:57,380
the paper written and then submitted for

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01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:59,630
publication now let's just look at where

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:01,160
we are now so we have an unknown

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01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:03,650
phenomenon we don't know if it's natural

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01:00:08,290 --> 01:00:05,990
or deliberately caused by some outside

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:08,300
agency that's causing these crop circles

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01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:10,250
to appear not of course the ones that

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01:00:14,290 --> 01:00:12,950
are done because people have nothing

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:14,300
better to do with their lives but

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01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:17,050
obviously something that's appearing

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01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:19,610
naturally or unnaturally we don't know

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01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:22,250
the forces bring it about how does the

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01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:25,250
UFO research community regard any of

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01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:27,350
this stuff varies depending on who

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you're talking to I think be talking

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about tonight

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01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:34,610
some of you I bet you you will some of

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the nuts and bolts UFO people have no

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interest whatsoever in crop circles some

1379
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:43,850
of them do some of them are aware of our

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work and are now trying to incorporate

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it into their understanding of the whole

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UFO phenomenon what has happened I spent

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the first that twelve years or so I was

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involved in all of this totally focused

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on the science but then a very peculiar

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thing happened I started to hear from

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one of our field workers in the

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Netherlands about a young man who was

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who knew somehow when and where the

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circles in his part of Holland when they

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were getting ready to occur he also

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apparently had witnessed a number of

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light phenomena in association with the

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appearance of the crop circles in fact

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one of his very early encounters as

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reported to me was that he was out on

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the dikes in his on his bicycle this

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started when he was very young and he

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observed a group of lights light balls

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rotating rather around themselves out

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over the field fairly

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hello and he got it was in daytime he

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got off his bike and started to walk

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down in between the fields there's a

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little pathway there to get closer to

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the lights one of them detached itself

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01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:05,660
from the group approached him whirled

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around his head apparently

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and knocked him out when he came to he

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was lying inside a brand new crop circle

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this was one of his very first

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experiences and I think it was the first

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time he'd actually ever heard the words

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and it does thicken with Nancy Talbot

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now we're talking about thickening plots

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here with gene and Chris in the para

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tuned in late you're gonna have to

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listen to the first part of the show

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because this is getting more and more

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fascinating so let's talk about the

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thickening plot and where it's taking us

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well we're we're talking about now is

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01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:35,790
the idea that there is a consciousness

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01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:38,460
involved not just in the crop circle

1536
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:40,710
phenomenon but in many of these other

1537
01:07:45,050 --> 01:07:43,020
things that we call out of body

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01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,060
experiences remote viewing poltergeist

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activity hauntings I don't care what you

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know et Encounters whatever when I first

1541
01:07:57,530 --> 01:07:53,010
heard about Robert I really didn't pay

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01:08:00,890 --> 01:07:57,540
any attention at all but then in 1997 I

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01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:00,900
think it was and this is all on the page

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01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:02,910
on the BLT website there's a page

1545
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devoted to Robert BLT research comm

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forward slash Robert and down at the

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01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:10,530
bottom of that page you will see lots of

1548
01:08:16,099 --> 01:08:13,380
individual reports about the scientific

1549
01:08:19,820 --> 01:08:16,109
work and other work that we've been I've

1550
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:19,830
been doing with Robert so 1997 rolls

1551
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:23,609
around and Robert and his sister

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01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:26,190
Robert is about 18 or 19 I think at this

1553
01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:29,240
time and his younger sister Madeline are

1554
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:32,279
in Roberts bedroom on the second floor

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01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:35,790
of a house that backs up to a farm field

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01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:38,250
and there are floor-to-ceiling glass

1557
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:41,100
doors that open out onto a small balcony

1558
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:44,480
they were open it was hot I think and

1559
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:47,850
suddenly there appeared a big glowing

1560
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:51,120
ball of light rotating in place directly

1561
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:53,370
over this balcony frightened the

1562
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:55,890
children considerably they went running

1563
01:09:00,860 --> 01:08:58,440
downstairs to get the parents and when

1564
01:09:02,099 --> 01:09:00,870
they came back up the ball of light was

1565
01:09:03,689 --> 01:09:02,109
gone but

1566
01:09:06,629 --> 01:09:03,699
there were burn marks on the eaves

1567
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,639
overhanging the balcony and there were

1568
01:09:12,510 --> 01:09:09,040
burn marks on the outside doors of the

1569
01:09:15,390 --> 01:09:12,520
balcony on the floor was a pile of white

1570
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:15,400
powder the father at that time was

1571
01:09:21,870 --> 01:09:18,730
manager of the local bank robber bank

1572
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:21,880
and this is a middle-class family in a

1573
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:24,730
very nice home not at all interested in

1574
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,880
this sort of thing the father wanted

1575
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,400
this white powder analyzed he wanted to

1576
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:33,279
know what it was and they contacted the

1577
01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:35,369
field worker our field worker in

1578
01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:38,500
Amsterdam to see if there was any way

1579
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:39,940
that he could get it

1580
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:42,130
you know analyzed and he contacted me

1581
01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:45,909
and I contacted our scientists and we

1582
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,520
said sure and so the powder was sent to

1583
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:51,759
us and Phil's Budinger the analytical

1584
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:53,920
chemist who does a lot of this work did

1585
01:10:00,540 --> 01:09:56,560
carry out an infrared spectroscopy work

1586
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,550
on the white powder and it came back as

1587
01:10:07,109 --> 01:10:03,520
being a very pure magnesium carbonate

1588
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:07,119
now magnesium carbonate is not an

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:10,449
unusual substance it's in pepto-bismol

1590
01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:12,250
for instance and a number of other

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01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:14,230
things it's also used in sports a lot

1592
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:14,770
nowadays

1593
01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:18,070
it was the purity level of the magnesium

1594
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:21,400
carbonate that was curious and also the

1595
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:23,770
fact that it was not a magnesium oxide

1596
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,710
which is what you would have expected

1597
01:10:29,879 --> 01:10:28,239
had that been let's say a flare

1598
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:29,889
you know because flares are burning

1599
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:32,530
magnesium but the result is magnesium

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oxide not magnesium carbonate so we had

1601
01:10:40,379 --> 01:10:38,440
sent the report back to the family and I

1602
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:40,389
was in Europe doing a tour a lecture

1603
01:10:45,330 --> 01:10:42,550
tour and one of the lectures was in

1604
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Amsterdam and they came to meet me to

1605
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say thank you for having done the work

1606
01:10:51,870 --> 01:10:49,210
and for the first time I got to me

1607
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Robert and the rest of his family it

1608
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,880
just so happened that that year I had

1609
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several lectures but several days in

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between each lecture and the father and

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mother asked me if I could possibly come

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and stay at their home for a couple of

1613
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:07,659
days so they could tell me more about

1614
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:10,300
these incredible things that were going

1615
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:12,250
on around their son they were very

1616
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:14,770
concerned they were very upset about it

1617
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,270
and I did have a couple of days so I

1618
01:11:20,580 --> 01:11:18,880
agreed I said okay I'll come the very

1619
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:20,590
first night in their home

1620
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:22,840
I was so pooped I think I just conked

1621
01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:25,990
out right away but the next night I had

1622
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:29,380
this funny feeling not to go to bed now

1623
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:31,570
I'm a night person and so I didn't

1624
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:34,140
really think about that as significant I

1625
01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:36,790
prefer to be up at night anyhow I don't

1626
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:38,920
get up early in the day and I just

1627
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:42,100
didn't take it too seriously but I knew

1628
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:45,550
not to go to bed and his parents Rob

1629
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:48,370
excuse me you said I knew not to go to

1630
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:51,700
bed how so I have no idea you just felt

1631
01:11:58,740 --> 01:11:55,360
I can't go to bed correct okay and the

1632
01:12:00,720 --> 01:11:58,750
parents who are perfect hosts would not

1633
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,730
go to bed either as long as I was up

1634
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:01,920
they were gonna have to stand up to

1635
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:04,360
Robert by this time had gone to sleep

1636
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:07,780
hours before so had his sisters and the

1637
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:09,790
three pets of two parents and I stayed

1638
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:12,370
up downstairs in the living room we had

1639
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:15,400
a few lights on but we were sitting at

1640
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:17,170
the back of the house with these

1641
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:19,540
floor-to-ceiling glass doors in a bow

1642
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,390
all across the back of the house looking

1643
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:24,880
out onto this small garden behind their

1644
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:28,090
house I had my back to the windows I was

1645
01:12:31,650 --> 01:12:29,560
sitting in a little chair with my back

1646
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:31,660
to the windows they were both sitting

1647
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:34,060
facing the windows and suddenly it

1648
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:36,010
around I think it was around 2 o'clock

1649
01:12:40,650 --> 01:12:37,810
in the morning I've forgotten exactly

1650
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:40,660
but suddenly the the father jumped up

1651
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:43,030
and he's pointing his finger out these

1652
01:12:47,490 --> 01:12:46,270
windows say there they're there and I of

1653
01:12:49,650 --> 01:12:47,500
course hadn't seen anything because my

1654
01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:49,660
back was to the window so he said there

1655
01:12:54,450 --> 01:12:51,580
was a flash of light a flash of light

1656
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:54,460
they had apparently seen from upon

1657
01:12:58,650 --> 01:12:56,170
occasion these flashes of light out

1658
01:13:00,930 --> 01:12:58,660
there and one had just occurred so I

1659
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:00,940
turned my chair around and we turned off

1660
01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:03,160
all the lights downstairs every single

1661
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:05,200
one and then the three of us just sat

1662
01:13:10,830 --> 01:13:08,050
there watching these windows and all of

1663
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:10,840
a sudden I started to feel this very

1664
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:14,590
strong tingling I was sitting it started

1665
01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:16,840
at my waist and it was around my entire

1666
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:20,260
body and my arms and it slowly moved up

1667
01:13:26,190 --> 01:13:23,050
my body becoming more intense as it did

1668
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:26,200
so it got to my neck area and by then it

1669
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:28,420
was Vic getting really intense then

1670
01:13:32,459 --> 01:13:30,100
did you feel that there was maybe a

1671
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:32,469
rattlesnake trying to climb up your body

1672
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,860
is that the sensation imagine putting

1673
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:38,320
your finger in an electrical socket in

1674
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:40,840
slow motion yeah in slow motion and not

1675
01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:44,050
quite so severe oh boy and I was cool

1676
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:46,300
with it for a while but when it got to

1677
01:13:50,939 --> 01:13:48,190
my neck he was really getting strong and

1678
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:50,949
I was scared and I thought to myself the

1679
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:53,010
hell with science I'm getting out here

1680
01:13:57,810 --> 01:13:55,510
now I should point out before we go on

1681
01:13:59,820 --> 01:13:57,820
that in one of your earlier appearances

1682
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,830
in the power cast one of our former

1683
01:14:05,150 --> 01:14:02,320
co-hosts kind of rag Don you for dealing

1684
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,160
with Robert but when you start reporting

1685
01:14:08,669 --> 01:14:07,360
experiences yourself it's not just

1686
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:08,679
believing somebody else it's

1687
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:10,870
experiencing it and seeing the reality

1688
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:14,260
yourself every single report on this on

1689
01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:17,590
Roberts page on our website reflects my

1690
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:20,620
personal experiences dozens and dozens

1691
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:24,520
and dozens of them I hope how many years

1692
01:14:29,070 --> 01:14:26,410
known that's if we're talking 15 16

1693
01:14:31,919 --> 01:14:29,080
years yeah I've known him now 15 years

1694
01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:31,929
and I've been there every summer for two

1695
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:34,870
three weeks and I have never reported in

1696
01:14:39,209 --> 01:14:36,850
in English to the American public

1697
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:39,219
anything that I have not personally

1698
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:41,890
witnessed I was very careful about that

1699
01:14:47,220 --> 01:14:44,410
in the beginning because I heard stories

1700
01:14:48,959 --> 01:14:47,230
and they were so unbelievable I didn't

1701
01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:48,969
believe him and it wasn't until I

1702
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:50,860
personally witnessed every one of these

1703
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:53,370
events that I began writing these things

1704
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,230
so that other people would know that's

1705
01:15:01,200 --> 01:14:58,000
the point to clarify here we want

1706
01:15:02,970 --> 01:15:01,210
clarified Nancy it is that you're not

1707
01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:02,980
just believing somebody you've

1708
01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:05,080
experienced these things yourself and

1709
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:06,580
it's not something they could have

1710
01:15:10,740 --> 01:15:08,530
hoaxed is it well this you know we'll

1711
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:10,750
get to that you know some stuff maybe

1712
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,850
but I don't think all of it

1713
01:15:16,290 --> 01:15:14,800
at any rate so the parents and I are

1714
01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:16,300
sitting there and this tingling thing

1715
01:15:19,410 --> 01:15:18,460
starts I get the feeling uh-oh I'm

1716
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:19,420
getting out of here

1717
01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:20,560
and you know what that's a great

1718
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:22,179
cliffhanger it's like before the

1719
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:24,489
commercial on TV show I feel a tingling

1720
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,050
I got to get out of here you have Nancy

1721
01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:28,239
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fair cast and it's as good as it gets

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01:20:09,689 --> 01:20:06,880
believe me we have Nancy Talbot of DLT

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01:20:12,090 --> 01:20:09,699
research with gene and Chris so she goes

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01:20:16,050 --> 01:20:12,100
to Europe meets this young man named

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01:20:18,270 --> 01:20:16,060
Robert and things start tingling and

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01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:18,280
we're not referring to having to go

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01:20:21,959 --> 01:20:19,840
through the bathroom it gets to be

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01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:21,969
pretty strange tell us it's a lot more

1830
01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:24,100
intense than that okay

1831
01:20:30,510 --> 01:20:27,640
you quit laughing and listen so we are

1832
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:30,520
sitting there and it's please laughter

1833
01:20:34,350 --> 01:20:32,830
by the way I know it's Chris we have to

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01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:34,360
blame him you see if you hear the

1835
01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:37,360
laughter I never land can disease making

1836
01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:40,840
me laugh this is a guest who happens to

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01:20:47,250 --> 01:20:43,660
be with right now his secret location in

1838
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:47,260
Colorado yeah oh this is great Nancy I'm

1839
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:49,690
loving this pretty much guarantee you

1840
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:52,810
Chris that if I ever get your butt and

1841
01:20:57,330 --> 01:20:55,810
take it over there with me and you get

1842
01:20:59,250 --> 01:20:57,340
to experience some of this stuff

1843
01:21:01,680 --> 01:20:59,260
firsthand I don't think you're gonna be

1844
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:01,690
laughing well it's it's I was laughing

1845
01:21:08,970 --> 01:21:06,640
at Gene's questionable analogies oh I'm

1846
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:08,980
not a baby I you've got me on it on the

1847
01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:10,510
edge of my chair with with what you're

1848
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,280
saying this is I was commenting on my

1849
01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:14,560
co-host there but understand by the way

1850
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:16,270
if he falls off the chair he'll just sue

1851
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:18,690
me for damages because I made him laugh

1852
01:21:24,209 --> 01:21:22,210
okay interrupts Nancy really please

1853
01:21:25,919 --> 01:21:24,219
continue so so you're feeling this

1854
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:25,929
intense sensation in your neck you've

1855
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:27,850
you were about ready to just get the

1856
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:29,890
heck out of Dodge and what happened the

1857
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:33,610
second that I had that idea to leave and

1858
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:36,070
I was starting to get on my chair the

1859
01:21:42,450 --> 01:21:39,330
tingling stopped immediately and this

1860
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:42,460
incredible light show then took place in

1861
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:43,510
that backyard

1862
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:45,310
there were blobs of light they were

1863
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:47,550
coming coming down from the sky and

1864
01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:50,710
bouncing along the brick walkway there

1865
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,260
were huge balls of light just hanging

1866
01:21:56,850 --> 01:21:55,120
there there were flashes of light there

1867
01:21:58,140 --> 01:21:56,860
were little balls of light it was like a

1868
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,150
damn three-ring circus

1869
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,400
these plasma balls do you think was this

1870
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:02,800
atom no idea what they were I mean it

1871
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:03,570
was it was

1872
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:07,560
so busy and so active and so varied and

1873
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:11,010
yet contained completely within I would

1874
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:14,640
say a 12 foot wide by maybe 16 foot deep

1875
01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:15,330
area

1876
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:18,720
it was very location specific but it

1877
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:20,040
mean you didn't know where to look it

1878
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:22,140
was like boom boom boom boom boom I've

1879
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:23,910
never seen anything like it in my life I

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mean my mouth was open I'm looking

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thinking what in the world and then all

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of a sudden it stopped nobody said a

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word I'm trying to process this in my

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head you know what did I just see

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and then the tingling started again and

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again it moved up my body fairly slowly

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and again it became very intense again I

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got scared and thought okay I'm leaving

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and boom at that instant it stopped

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again the light show started this

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happened five times at least we're not

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sure where those five times or six or

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seven but at least five over a period of

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about 11 minutes with absolutely nothing

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happening for a couple of minutes then

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the tingling then the light show then it

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would stop and the whole thing would

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start again too bad she didn't have a

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cell phone with the camera was a little

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too far back in time but man to get that

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on it's I mean it was too stunning if

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you had been there if you had been

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actually one of us you would have it

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simply was so stunning the idea of I

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mean the most I could do and what I did

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do when I realized that it was going to

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stop the tingling was gonna stop every

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time I got scared I became a little less

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afraid and so I stood up and I walked

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right to the inside of the glass doors

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where I could see up into the sky I was

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afraid frankly to go outside I got as

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close to that window as I could get when

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the doors looking up I was trying to see

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where this was all coming from there was

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nothing there was nothing up there too

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suddenly these these blobs or balls

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would appear they would stay they would

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hang in the air they would fall they

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would bounce along the bricks and the

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light flashes like like a million

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flashbulbs going off to all of this

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intermixed when the last of

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occurred here again I don't know why I

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did this

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I have no idea why I said this I turned

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around to his parents who were sitting

1928
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there in stunned silence and I said well

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that's it it's all over I have no idea

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why I said that but it was all over I

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then separated immediately the parents I

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put the mother I can't remember I think

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I put the mother in the kitchen left the

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father who was quite frightened at this

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01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:45,120
point in the living room and I asked

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them both separately individually as a

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door in between which I closed I wanted

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01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:52,620
to find out whether they had experienced

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01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:54,600
the same thing I did and I wanted to

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01:25:00,140 --> 01:24:57,330
hear it separately and it turns out that

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they both experienced as I did the

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01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:02,940
tingling thing and they both described

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01:25:08,990 --> 01:25:06,510
seeing basically what I saw so it

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01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:09,000
appears that all three of us had the

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01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:11,400
same experience let me ask you a

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01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:13,020
question here just to put this in a

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frame of reference Nancy have you ever

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in your life before a meeting this young

1949
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:21,120
man experienced anything like that never

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you can't think and I certainly can't

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think of anything in terms of a

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deliberate hoax that could have caused

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01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:29,340
this kind of effect can you this was my

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01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:31,500
first idea I'm thinking oh my god

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01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:33,510
they've rigged the the garden it's

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rigged so the next morning as soon as

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01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:39,720
this time I got up early and I went out

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01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:43,020
immediately to this little backyard a

1959
01:25:48,650 --> 01:25:45,210
lot of the light had seemed to emanate

1960
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from three cedar trees that were planted

1961
01:25:54,290 --> 01:25:51,660
close together about eight feet six feet

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01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,300
back from the windows so I immediately

1963
01:25:59,210 --> 01:25:57,120
went to these cedar trees to see if I

1964
01:26:01,280 --> 01:25:59,220
could find any wires or anything you

1965
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,290
know that would give me a clue and there

1966
01:26:06,140 --> 01:26:04,080
was nothing but as I was standing next

1967
01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:06,150
to the cedar trees and this time I had

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01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:08,700
my camera I was using a film camera back

1969
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:10,830
then and I had it with me because I've

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01:26:14,690 --> 01:26:12,090
been taking pictures of the house

1971
01:26:16,820 --> 01:26:14,700
generally and some other things and as I

1972
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:16,830
was standing next to these three cedar

1973
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:22,260
trees the the the camera it was on but

1974
01:26:26,210 --> 01:26:24,120
it was head was hanging by its strap I

1975
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:26,220
wasn't even holding it it suddenly

1976
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:28,590
started taking pictures by itself and

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01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:29,730
then

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01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,460
mechanical camera a mechanical camera

1979
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,260
all of a sudden it starts taking the

1980
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:36,960
pictures by itself and it takes a couple

1981
01:26:43,190 --> 01:26:39,510
of anomalies which I have shown in many

1982
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:43,200
of my lectures and then it was a 36 roll

1983
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:47,130
film at film the last anomaly was was

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01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,580
number 19 on the film it rewound itself

1985
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:52,800
entirely leaving all the rest of those

1986
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:54,840
pictures you know blank oh I've never

1987
01:26:58,130 --> 01:26:55,890
heard of such a thing

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01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:58,140
well that's what happened so this was my

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01:27:04,130 --> 01:27:01,440
introduction to the the more bizarre

1990
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:04,140
stuff that goes on some of the more

1991
01:27:08,990 --> 01:27:06,090
bizarre stuff that goes on around Robert

1992
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:09,000
now in some of the more bizarre stuff

1993
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:12,210
some and I mean the tip of the iceberg

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01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:13,320
and now you mentioned there were

1995
01:27:16,580 --> 01:27:14,970
anomalies on the pictures what what sort

1996
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:16,590
of anomalies appeared and those of

1997
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:20,000
automatically unique sort of pinkish

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01:27:26,150 --> 01:27:24,450
pinkish yellowish light balls with

1999
01:27:28,460 --> 01:27:26,160
stripes around them is the best way I

2000
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:28,470
could describe it nothing it didn't look

2001
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:29,580
like anything that was in the

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01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:30,690
environment at all

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01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:32,610
I mean it's simply an anomaly and on

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01:27:38,630 --> 01:27:35,670
Roberts page on the BLT site you will

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:38,640
see a whole report about light phenomena

2006
01:27:45,530 --> 01:27:41,730
photos well there is a huge range of

2007
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:45,540
these he had been from about the time

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01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:47,910
that the he started knowing about the

2009
01:27:51,410 --> 01:27:48,480
circles

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01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:51,420
he was capturing unusual light phenomena

2011
01:27:56,630 --> 01:27:54,840
on his camera in those early days some

2012
01:27:59,810 --> 01:27:56,640
of it was what you would call them light

2013
01:28:03,229 --> 01:27:59,820
balls other people have called them orbs

2014
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:03,239
and in the very early years many of them

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01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:06,780
look like that but since then it's so

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much more dramatic now than what was

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01:28:17,060 --> 01:28:12,900
happening in those original photos it's

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01:28:19,220 --> 01:28:17,070
nearly unbelievable Nancy Matthew before

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01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:19,230
any of this until I'd observed it

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01:28:23,780 --> 01:28:22,350
firsthand right well before we go on and

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01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,790
we do have some ground to cover here

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01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,920
before we go on I want to get back to

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01:28:30,260 --> 01:28:27,840
your examination of the backyard area

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01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:30,270
now you mentioned that the kids had had

2025
01:28:35,229 --> 01:28:32,640
an event occur which had left behind

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01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:35,239
some of this this magnesium cow's

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carbonate carbonate yeah

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01:28:42,530 --> 01:28:39,930
and left scorch marks now with all this

2029
01:28:43,459 --> 01:28:42,540
type of what it sounds to me like

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01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:43,469
electrical

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some sort of high-energy events that

2032
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work wine in a very small area did you

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01:28:52,580 --> 01:28:50,400
did you find any evidence of of heat

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01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:52,590
above scorch marks any of this powder

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01:28:56,810 --> 01:28:54,570
present do you feel that this may have

2036
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been some sort of completely different

2037
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:00,449
apples and oranges type event I look

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01:29:04,670 --> 01:29:02,370
very carefully for any evidence of

2039
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burning anywhere throughout the whole

2040
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area saw nothing nothing in the trees no

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wires no no you know nothing that didn't

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belong in a normal garden you know

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flowers and trees and stuff like that I

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saw nothing and I know all these light

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bulbs were they all the same color which

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did you notice any sort of spectrum

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shifting objects moving colors changing

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I'll tell you what we'll have the answer

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century goods calm spelled the number

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01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:34,410
two the number 1 st century goods calm

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01:33:39,260 --> 01:33:36,450
or call eight six six nine nine nine

2150
01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:39,270
eight four two two spend $100 or more

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01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:40,980
and get a free hand-cranked solar

2152
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:42,570
flashlights when you mention you heard

2153
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:44,760
us on gee Sienna check out crank up your

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01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:55,549
[Music]

2155
01:34:08,609 --> 01:34:05,879
you do listen to the podcast because as

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01:34:10,679 --> 01:34:08,619
often happens on the show Chris asks a

2157
01:34:12,060 --> 01:34:10,689
question of a guest but we have to hold

2158
01:34:13,649 --> 01:34:12,070
the answer give you a little bit of

2159
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,659
suspense we're not going to keep you in

2160
01:34:18,449 --> 01:34:15,760
suspense with Nancy topic much longer

2161
01:34:21,589 --> 01:34:18,459
Nancy you heard Chris's question what's

2162
01:34:25,319 --> 01:34:21,599
the response he wanted to know about the

2163
01:34:28,410 --> 01:34:25,329
colors and all that jazz right yeah the

2164
01:34:32,330 --> 01:34:28,420
basic color of the light phenomena that

2165
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:32,340
day that night was white but there were

2166
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:37,689
diaphanous bluish huge like balls simply

2167
01:34:45,179 --> 01:34:41,320
hovering in various places some of the

2168
01:34:49,859 --> 01:34:45,189
flashes were also bluish but the more

2169
01:34:53,219 --> 01:34:49,869
dense brilliant white smaller balls as

2170
01:34:55,709 --> 01:34:53,229
well as these blobs it was almost like

2171
01:34:58,169 --> 01:34:55,719
you're pouring liquid mercury or

2172
01:35:00,989 --> 01:34:58,179
something out of the sky they were

2173
01:35:05,310 --> 01:35:00,999
brilliant in color and they would bounce

2174
01:35:06,179 --> 01:35:05,320
along leaving trails on the bricks on

2175
01:35:09,179 --> 01:35:06,189
the patio

2176
01:35:12,089 --> 01:35:09,189
well bizarre and then disappear you know

2177
01:35:14,819 --> 01:35:12,099
then be gone so I don't I mean that's

2178
01:35:16,589 --> 01:35:14,829
just one of another of I mean there's so

2179
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,599
many of these things that you really

2180
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:18,159
have to read all these reports to begin

2181
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:21,130
to get a clue as to the range of events

2182
01:35:27,089 --> 01:35:24,249
in question I like to see answer before

2183
01:35:29,729 --> 01:35:27,099
we go on that is all right these sound

2184
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:29,739
like singular events which are focusing

2185
01:35:35,509 --> 01:35:32,409
on a specific person is there a history

2186
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:35,519
in the paranormal field of other people

2187
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:38,050
creating and or experiencing similar

2188
01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:40,239
effects he's the only person in the

2189
01:35:46,199 --> 01:35:42,369
world that I know of where I've ever

2190
01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:46,209
heard of who knows when and where the

2191
01:35:51,299 --> 01:35:48,729
circles in his area are occurring and

2192
01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:51,309
also knows usually exactly what they're

2193
01:35:55,410 --> 01:35:53,260
gonna look like I don't know of anybody

2194
01:35:57,629 --> 01:35:55,420
else in the world that is that is

2195
01:36:00,299 --> 01:35:57,639
standalone also later on some of the

2196
01:36:01,919 --> 01:36:00,309
photographic images that showed up on

2197
01:36:04,649 --> 01:36:01,929
his camera and many other people's

2198
01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:04,659
cameras is kind of reminiscent of a guy

2199
01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:07,780
in the 70s named ted serios who i was

2200
01:36:13,169 --> 01:36:09,550
able to project thoughts and images

2201
01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:13,179
mental images onto film but I might be

2202
01:36:16,649 --> 01:36:15,129
getting ahead of ourselves here where

2203
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:16,659
would you like to take this because you

2204
01:36:20,429 --> 01:36:18,249
mentioned that you have done some

2205
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:20,439
scientific work on some of those I

2206
01:36:24,119 --> 01:36:22,030
wanted to point out just because this

2207
01:36:26,099 --> 01:36:24,129
will help people who think I cannot

2208
01:36:29,579 --> 01:36:26,109
possibly be telling them the truth about

2209
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:29,589
this other stuff in 2007 there were a

2210
01:36:34,979 --> 01:36:32,800
number of crop circles which occurred at

2211
01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:34,989
a place I've called wooden head it's

2212
01:36:40,139 --> 01:36:37,300
actually Bhushan hopped and a loose

2213
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:40,149
translation of that is wooden head and

2214
01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:42,729
the reason I use it it's I'm making fun

2215
01:36:48,869 --> 01:36:45,550
there the the farmer who was using that

2216
01:36:51,659 --> 01:36:48,879
field in 2007 is a man who lives in

2217
01:36:55,469 --> 01:36:51,669
Hooven where Roberts home at the time

2218
01:36:57,809 --> 01:36:55,479
was and this man's fields had been hit

2219
01:37:00,089 --> 01:36:57,819
many times with crop circles and he

2220
01:37:03,149 --> 01:37:00,099
hated him he did not like it one little

2221
01:37:05,489 --> 01:37:03,159
bit and he accused Robert of making them

2222
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:05,499
any accused Roberts father of making

2223
01:37:11,399 --> 01:37:08,409
them and refused to think that there

2224
01:37:15,379 --> 01:37:11,409
could be any other possible answer this

2225
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:15,389
particular summer in 2007 that farmer

2226
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:18,129
decided to lease another piece of land

2227
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:21,010
in addition to his his farm and Hooven

2228
01:37:27,299 --> 01:37:24,280
as farmers often do and he had leased

2229
01:37:30,389 --> 01:37:27,309
this property in motion oft to grow an

2230
01:37:32,759 --> 01:37:30,399
additional crop it's very strange but

2231
01:37:34,859 --> 01:37:32,769
every crop circle that summer I think

2232
01:37:37,919 --> 01:37:34,869
almost every crop circle that summer

2233
01:37:40,919 --> 01:37:37,929
happened in that field it followed him

2234
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:40,929
Robert had no idea that the farmer had

2235
01:37:46,109 --> 01:37:43,449
leased other properties he knew nothing

2236
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:46,119
of this so the phenomenon followed

2237
01:37:50,969 --> 01:37:48,489
followed the farmer to his newly

2238
01:37:51,209 --> 01:37:50,979
acquired fields that is what it sounds

2239
01:37:54,419 --> 01:37:51,219
like

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01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:54,429
Oh at any rate in that field that summer

2241
01:38:00,689 --> 01:37:57,489
there were a number of witnesses two

2242
01:38:03,540 --> 01:38:00,699
totally amazing events the white powder

2243
01:38:06,059 --> 01:38:03,550
appeared repeatedly in these crop

2244
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:06,069
circles and just so people know this if

2245
01:38:12,059 --> 01:38:09,010
they read the June 2007 wouldn't had

2246
01:38:12,340 --> 01:38:12,069
report they will see that not only did a

2247
01:38:14,770 --> 01:38:12,350
mare

2248
01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:14,780
can scientists examine the white powder

2249
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:18,190
I found a guy a material scientist in

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01:38:23,470 --> 01:38:21,170
Amsterdam who also examined the white

2251
01:38:26,740 --> 01:38:23,480
powder all this came up with the same

2252
01:38:30,670 --> 01:38:26,750
answer this very very pure magnesium

2253
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:30,680
carbonate in addition in 2007 in that

2254
01:38:34,930 --> 01:38:31,370
field

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01:38:38,710 --> 01:38:34,940
Robert physically disappeared in front

2256
01:38:40,180 --> 01:38:38,720
of several witnesses faces of a red ball

2257
01:38:43,210 --> 01:38:40,190
of light suddenly appeared

2258
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:43,220
Robert disappeared he then subsequently

2259
01:38:49,930 --> 01:38:47,600
some 30 seconds or so later reappeared

2260
01:38:53,110 --> 01:38:49,940
in another whole part of the field where

2261
01:38:55,660 --> 01:38:53,120
he had been standing was a brand new

2262
01:38:58,060 --> 01:38:55,670
crop circle again with the white powder

2263
01:39:00,490 --> 01:38:58,070
in it let me clarify he disappeared for

2264
01:39:02,710 --> 01:39:00,500
30 seconds that appears to be the case

2265
01:39:05,530 --> 01:39:02,720
right he vanishes from view it's like

2266
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:05,540
beaming from one area to another I mean

2267
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:07,250
I don't know what the word is to call

2268
01:39:11,260 --> 01:39:09,290
what happened but he just disappeared he

2269
01:39:13,090 --> 01:39:11,270
blinked out well I kind of using the

2270
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:13,100
Star Trek terminology and it's were all

2271
01:39:18,130 --> 01:39:15,250
steep in Star Trek so I get the sense

2272
01:39:20,020 --> 01:39:18,140
again the point is that with these

2273
01:39:21,700 --> 01:39:20,030
highly anomalous events there were

2274
01:39:24,220 --> 01:39:21,710
multiple cases of the white powder

2275
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:24,230
appearing again it was sampled

2276
01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:27,110
immediately it was subjected to analysis

2277
01:39:30,970 --> 01:39:30,230
by multiple scientists in every case we

2278
01:39:34,780 --> 01:39:30,980
get back

2279
01:39:36,730 --> 01:39:34,790
very pure magnesium carbonate no why

2280
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:36,740
should of course would be we're in

2281
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:39,170
nature do we see a comparable substance

2282
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:42,770
you don't and I'm getting to that now in

2283
01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:47,210
the July 10th 19 2010 there was another

2284
01:39:52,810 --> 01:39:50,390
event that involved the white powder and

2285
01:39:56,350 --> 01:39:52,820
this time I pulled out every stop I

2286
01:40:00,100 --> 01:39:56,360
could we carried out the FTIR which is

2287
01:40:03,190 --> 01:40:00,110
infrared spectroscopy work icp-ms which

2288
01:40:07,570 --> 01:40:03,200
is inductively coupled plasma mass

2289
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:07,580
spectroscopy and dr. Eberle god bless

2290
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:10,310
his heart did an x-ray diffraction

2291
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:13,730
analysis of the same white powder we

2292
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,130
were able conclusively without any

2293
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:19,280
question whatsoever to establish that

2294
01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:25,440
this material was 99.99% pure hydro

2295
01:40:32,780 --> 01:40:28,520
magnesite or magnesium carbonate and

2296
01:40:34,610 --> 01:40:32,790
that it was synthetically produced this

2297
01:40:38,570 --> 01:40:34,620
is not a naturally occurring substance

2298
01:40:41,710 --> 01:40:38,580
at that purity level it was dr. Evil's

2299
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:41,720
very clear conclusion that this was

2300
01:40:47,690 --> 01:40:44,880
synthetically produced now is there a

2301
01:40:50,020 --> 01:40:47,700
place there where we synthetically

2302
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:50,030
produce a substance of this sort for

2303
01:40:55,190 --> 01:40:53,610
industrial purposes I'm sure in some of

2304
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,200
the bigger cities there could be labs

2305
01:41:00,920 --> 01:40:57,840
yes but it's not something that's just

2306
01:41:02,810 --> 01:41:00,930
gonna show up in a field well it costs a

2307
01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:02,820
whole bunch of money number one when

2308
01:41:08,270 --> 01:41:05,190
it's that pure the amount of it that

2309
01:41:12,020 --> 01:41:08,280
we've recovered would cost in u.s.

2310
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:12,030
dollars well over $7,000

2311
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:15,540
Robert has he does not leave the area in

2312
01:41:20,150 --> 01:41:17,100
which he lives he's never been to these

2313
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:20,160
major cities he doesn't like to be

2314
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:21,780
around large numbers of people for

2315
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:24,330
various reasons and he doesn't have the

2316
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:26,130
money even if he could get to one of

2317
01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:28,530
these places if somebody else is

2318
01:41:34,580 --> 01:41:31,320
producing this material you have to

2319
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:34,590
explain how do they know when a new crop

2320
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:36,600
circle is occurring so they can get

2321
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:39,360
there before any of the field workers

2322
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:42,540
you know deposit this material leave no

2323
01:41:48,860 --> 01:41:46,170
traces whatsoever and if they're doing

2324
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:48,870
this consistently you know they've got

2325
01:41:52,340 --> 01:41:50,730
to have the money to be able to be

2326
01:41:55,460 --> 01:41:52,350
buying something that cost this much

2327
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:55,470
money why would they be doing it and

2328
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:58,050
then we also have to deal with the fact

2329
01:42:03,620 --> 01:42:00,000
that the white powder has appeared

2330
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:03,630
inside Roberts locked home repeatedly

2331
01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:06,930
and this I have not written up yet but

2332
01:42:11,060 --> 01:42:08,340
there have been a number of cases where

2333
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:11,070
I think what we call I think it's called

2334
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,250
a ports where something physical appears

2335
01:42:21,470 --> 01:42:17,840
out of the air is that called an airport

2336
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:21,480
yeah I think so yeah okay Ince multiple

2337
01:42:28,910 --> 01:42:25,770
cases of physical objects which did not

2338
01:42:31,730 --> 01:42:28,920
exist in the home previously have been

2339
01:42:36,110 --> 01:42:31,740
present covered with the white powder

2340
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:36,120
and with burn marks on the inside areas

2341
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:38,580
of the windows the windows by the way

2342
01:42:41,540 --> 01:42:39,360
don't open

2343
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:41,550
these are the the way they're built they

2344
01:42:47,450 --> 01:42:45,030
don't open at all and the father has got

2345
01:42:49,850 --> 01:42:47,460
the doors to the house locked every

2346
01:42:51,649 --> 01:42:49,860
weight which way to Sunday when he goes

2347
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:51,659
to bed at night that place is locked up

2348
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:54,449
like Fort Knox how in the world these

2349
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:57,920
objects could appear inside the house

2350
01:43:03,410 --> 01:43:00,719
again with this exact same material this

2351
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:03,420
white powder even if you can explain it

2352
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:05,130
in the fields if you could come up with

2353
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:08,130
the idea that okay somebody is watching

2354
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:11,489
Robert very closely somebody somehow

2355
01:43:16,669 --> 01:43:14,400
knows also when a new circle is

2356
01:43:19,370 --> 01:43:16,679
happening even when he's right in the

2357
01:43:21,649 --> 01:43:19,380
field remember he's been right in the

2358
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:21,659
field with witnesses when the white

2359
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:24,000
powder has appeared and nobody has seen

2360
01:43:29,540 --> 01:43:26,610
anybody somehow this person would be

2361
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:29,550
doing all of that and also has somehow

2362
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:33,330
rather managed to know when you know an

2363
01:43:37,939 --> 01:43:35,820
object two butterflies is one of the

2364
01:43:40,669 --> 01:43:37,949
things that happen have appeared inside

2365
01:43:44,540 --> 01:43:40,679
Roberts home covered in this white

2366
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:44,550
powder also what doctor ebrill said he

2367
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:46,770
did a search on the internet and it was

2368
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:49,110
kind of interesting he said that he had

2369
01:43:54,140 --> 01:43:50,850
discovered several recent scientific

2370
01:43:56,660 --> 01:43:54,150
papers examining the possibility that

2371
01:44:00,140 --> 01:43:56,670
hydro magnesite which is what this

2372
01:44:02,959 --> 01:44:00,150
material is might be used in capturing

2373
01:44:07,419 --> 01:44:02,969
and storing so it's a process called

2374
01:44:10,129 --> 01:44:07,429
sexy sequestration sequestering of

2375
01:44:11,870 --> 01:44:10,139
excess co2 carbon dioxide in the

2376
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:11,880
atmosphere well that will help if global

2377
01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:15,449
warming I guess exactly we have Nancy

2378
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:18,270
Talbot with Jean and Chris you're in the

2379
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:20,290
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2380
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:30,820
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01:44:38,890 --> 01:44:34,010
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2382
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:38,900
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2383
01:44:42,580 --> 01:44:40,370
Anderson announcing a great way to

2384
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:42,590
listen to radio on the telephone by

2385
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:44,780
calling seven six oh five six nine

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2395
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we the people grow cotton wheat fabric

2396
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:11,750
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

2397
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protect from counterfeit and carding to

2398
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a private bank having a light back at

2399
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:15,650
interest

2400
01:45:19,209 --> 01:45:17,330
forcing taxes to service debt this

2401
01:45:20,649 --> 01:45:19,219
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

2402
01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:20,659
stating a central bank issuing the

2403
01:45:23,410 --> 01:45:22,310
public currency is a greater menace to

2404
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:23,420
the liberties of the people than a

2405
01:45:26,260 --> 01:45:25,010
standing army today Anderson I'm placing

2406
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:26,270
a free silver dollar in a book that

2407
01:45:31,630 --> 01:45:28,370
explains our monetary system call for

2408
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your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2409
01:45:38,180 --> 01:45:34,730
understand the system call 866 to 237

2410
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that's 800 686 to 237

2411
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jane Steinberg nancy talbot with

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gene and chris reporting extraordinary

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events let's look at Robert just very

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briefly does he have a day job what's he

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do when he's not engaged in delivering

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all these strange affects he doesn't do

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anything else

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he has been lately well for quite a few

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years now I've been doing readings and

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healings for people who are interested

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in this sort of thing but he was not

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able to complete school because the

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awareness of these presences Robert is

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aware of an external consciousness

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something totally external to himself

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which he believes is a very loving

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spiritual force and he's been aware of

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it and the presence of deceased

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relatives and many other beings and

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deceased presences since he was uh it

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started when he was four okay so we're

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talking about somebody here who is the

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classic psychic but with some extra side

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effects that maybe we don't hear about

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that often that's putting it mildly Jean

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I'm just trying to understand yeah yeah

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in school he went to he's very bright

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he's extremely intelligent oh and very

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funny and not at all a guru this is he

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is insistent that people understand that

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that's not his bag at all he is trying

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to help people recognize that there is a

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larger reality than we know about in his

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opinion it is spiritually based and very

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loving very positive and his hope is

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that through all of these various events

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and careful documentation of many of

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them that more people can begin to think

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about and raise questions about and be

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serious in their pursuit of

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understanding

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because he thinks as they do this they

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it opens doors that are necessary for

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people to grow and become more

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responsible become to take charge of

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their own lives instead of looking for

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somebody else to solve the problems that

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were up against yeah there's a few of

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those out there I want to ask before I

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forget Nancy is is when when that event

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occurred in front of witnesses where he

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appeared to teleport from one part of

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the field to the other and was gone for

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30 seconds is there anything in the

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record that describes his thoughts

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feelings and sensations during that time

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period did he have a sense of somewhere

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else or some time passing was what I was

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what he told me at the time and I

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interviewed his mother and some of the

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other people who are present what he was

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dizzy and he knew something had happened

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and he asked his mother and this other

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woman Ellen when they got to him when he

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reappeared they ran to where he was and

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he asked them did I disappear he

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apparently was aware that something had

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happened but he had no clear notion of

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what it was he often now this is again

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the tip of the iceberg but he will be

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aware when he knows when these presences

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are around and slowly over the years

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he's become able to differentiate that

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some of them he calls UFO energies which

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in the beginning he never ever talked

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about UFOs at all sometimes he

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differentiates them as marry energies

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meaning he feels a sweetness a kindness

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that he would associate with the Virgin

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Mary if he were a religious person which

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he isn't his whole take on this is that

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there are these energies cosmic energies

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interdimensional energies he's not sure

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what to call them but they are of a

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spiritual nature positively inclined

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toward mankind and if we learn to start

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thinking about this and asking questions

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that we are all going to start to

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realize that the UFO situation the et

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situation the crop circles and a body

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experiences remote viewing polarized

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hauntings you name it they're all bits

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and pieces of the same big unknown

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whatever

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sounds like the trickster to me sounds

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like also the traditional psychics

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viewpoint about what's going on correct

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correct

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and whether that ends up being the the

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facts or not I don't know I'm just

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telling you what he tells me and since

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he's the person to whom it's happening

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he knows better than I do at this point

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so I listen to what he says and I report

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what he says but certainly we had to

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take his opinion as his opinion this is

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what he believes to be the cause of

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what's going on we obviously can't

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determine if that's really what is

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happening or our higher beings telling

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him this exactly it's up to you to do

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what you want to with that information

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yeah but why him I mean why was he

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singled out does he have a sense of clue

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not a clue it does perhaps help to tell

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you that his mother also is extremely

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sensitive might be the word she has seen

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many of these things including creatures

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and beings his sister has perhaps seeing

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more beings that he has I have a quick

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question here therefore does his mother

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have a background of this sort of thing

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no she never paid any attention to it

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ignored it entirely until the son was

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born and it started happening to him and

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by the time he was five or six years old

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it was I mean he could it was so present

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in his life that when this energy

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approached him whatever it is he his

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attention you see would be drawn

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entirely to it so if he were sitting in

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a classroom let's say a man he's getting

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getting taught mathematics or link or

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whatever Dutch English whatever and the

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teacher is going on

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Roberts paying attention like every

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other kid in the class until suddenly

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this energy presents itself to him and

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when it

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does it absolutely 100% draws his

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attention to it and this is why he was

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unable to keep on in school he simply

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could not pay attention if this other

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01:52:39,380 --> 01:52:37,020
thing was happening and it's been

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happening so much in his life from the

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get-go that he was unable to learn any

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real trade or to finish schooling now

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I'll give you one one idea of a recent

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01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:49,680
thing that happened that has to do with

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the United States that will show you how

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powerful whatever this is is in June of

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2011 I got a report you on my website

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01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:03,210
you'll see report a crop circle form and

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01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:05,130
somebody filled that in and mailed it to

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01:53:10,940 --> 01:53:07,410
me reporting a crop circle in Virginia

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and the it was simply a picture of the

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circle and a little bit of text from

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this guy telling me he just discovered

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it and that he thought I would like to

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know about it well that day I happened

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01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:22,380
to be writing something to Robert on

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01:53:29,060 --> 01:53:25,440
email and Robert gets many circles in

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grass in Holland because they grow a lot

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of grass because they've got a lot of

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cows and so many of the circles happen

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in grass in Holland they also happen in

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the other crops but a lot of man grass

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and I thought that Robert might like to

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see what one looked like in America in

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grass that's the only reason I sent in

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01:53:50,900 --> 01:53:48,270
the picture I attached it and sent it

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off and two seconds later the phone rang

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01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,850
and it was Robert and he says watch out

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01:54:01,280 --> 01:53:56,400
that one's a fake and I said what do you

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01:54:04,190 --> 01:54:01,290
mean he said I see a teenage boy he's

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got dirty blonde brownish dirty blonde

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hair down the back of his neck he means

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in a ponytail I see a black baseball cap

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01:54:16,090 --> 01:54:12,390
he usually wears a black baseball cap

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he's the paper boy in in that town and

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his name is Mike and I thought well damn

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01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:21,270
that's pretty precise so I wrote it all

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down

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and I wrote back then an email to the

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guy who had reported the circle and I

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said by any chance do you know if there

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is and then I described the boy with the

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brown

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here down the back of the neck and the

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black baseball cap who was the paper boy

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01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:42,840
whose name was Mike and the gutter eats

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01:54:48,379 --> 01:54:44,369
back to me with how in the hell did you

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01:54:52,430 --> 01:54:48,389
know that I said well I'd be happy to

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01:54:54,620 --> 01:54:52,440
tell you turns out that there is in that

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01:54:57,260 --> 01:54:54,630
town it's a very small town apparently

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an area I've never been to and Robert

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doesn't even know where Virginia is but

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in that little village there is a kid

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who has brownish-blond hair in the

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ponytail he normally wears a black

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baseball cap

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he is the paper boy and his name is Mike

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01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:16,409
and the guy who reported the whole thing

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01:55:21,470 --> 01:55:19,650
to me knew of this kid and at a barbecue

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which was happening a couple days later

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01:55:27,140 --> 01:55:24,690
he asked the boy if in fact he had made

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the circle I want to find out what that

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boy said we have Nancy Talbot join al

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Jean and Chris you're in the para cos we

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also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy we've got like I guess 60 or

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

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cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to steward

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on to the para cast comm store dot the

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in multiple sizes and colors we even

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have stuff for children stuff for women

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stuff for men we have all sorts of sizes

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like small up 2x large lot good stuff

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Nancy didn't we yes we did why do we

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have to keep doing after was there a

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paperboy with brown hair down the back

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of his neck who wear a black baseball

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cap and whose name was Mike was there

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such a person in that town and there was

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and not only was there he then once the

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man who had reported the whole thing

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asked him about it he then demonstrated

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for the man how he had done it and the

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guy sent me a picture which is now up on

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02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:44,910
Roberts page on the BLT website now

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02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:47,040
Robert doesn't know where Virginia is

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02:00:51,650 --> 02:00:49,950
he's never been out of Holland except

2746
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for a couple of trips to Belgium which

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is very close by he doesn't know Mike

2748
02:01:00,050 --> 02:00:56,940
how in the world did he do that you know

2749
02:01:02,900 --> 02:01:00,060
it's the same way he does the knowing of

2750
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:02,910
the crop circles it's the same way he

2751
02:01:09,110 --> 02:01:06,210
does the readings when people come to

2752
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:09,120
him and they want to know sometimes they

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02:01:13,290 --> 02:01:10,570
want to know

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02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:13,300
health problems sometimes they want to

2755
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:16,090
know about money or love many people

2756
02:01:21,479 --> 02:01:18,070
come to him because they're interested

2757
02:01:23,490 --> 02:01:21,489
in their deceased relatives wanting to

2758
02:01:24,810 --> 02:01:23,500
know if they're okay now one of the

2759
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:24,820
things I should point out here the

2760
02:01:29,610 --> 02:01:26,290
skeptics are gonna look at this and say

2761
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:29,620
okay Robert may have had some unusual

2762
02:01:35,610 --> 02:01:32,050
paranormal encounters but maybe he's

2763
02:01:37,620 --> 02:01:35,620
trying to use that as a means to profit

2764
02:01:40,620 --> 02:01:37,630
from his experiences well

2765
02:01:43,350 --> 02:01:40,630
he's not making any money neither one of

2766
02:01:45,540 --> 02:01:43,360
us has anything to sell does he sell his

2767
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:45,550
readings does he get paid for those his

2768
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:48,010
father when he was at home he now lives

2769
02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:50,290
by himself when he was at home his

2770
02:01:55,919 --> 02:01:53,710
father insisted Robert himself will not

2771
02:01:57,870 --> 02:01:55,929
ever asked for money because he thinks

2772
02:02:00,630 --> 02:01:57,880
it should not they shouldn't do it

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02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:00,640
his father remember is a banker was a

2774
02:02:06,330 --> 02:02:04,690
banker oh he's a bank stirs they call

2775
02:02:07,590 --> 02:02:06,340
him nowadays in a political world we

2776
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:07,600
don't call bankers anymore

2777
02:02:12,660 --> 02:02:10,210
we call them bank stir like banker and

2778
02:02:16,649 --> 02:02:12,670
gangster being the same pretty much

2779
02:02:19,050 --> 02:02:16,659
exactly correct so daddy was a bank stir

2780
02:02:20,790 --> 02:02:19,060
and insisted that he earned his keep if

2781
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:20,800
he's going to have these psychic

2782
02:02:24,030 --> 02:02:22,690
readings well that's fine but you

2783
02:02:26,220 --> 02:02:24,040
understand why people will criticize

2784
02:02:28,500 --> 02:02:26,230
this they'll say heck the guy's just

2785
02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:28,510
trying to make a buck we shouldn't pay

2786
02:02:32,580 --> 02:02:30,190
attention that's up to them if they

2787
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:32,590
choose to do that but the fact of the

2788
02:02:37,620 --> 02:02:35,170
matter is that Robert they have seen

2789
02:02:39,689 --> 02:02:37,630
many many people ad no never charge them

2790
02:02:42,830 --> 02:02:39,699
a cent because they didn't have any he

2791
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:42,840
would sneak them in and the money that

2792
02:02:49,260 --> 02:02:46,690
was paid by some of his clients has all

2793
02:02:51,930 --> 02:02:49,270
gone into a trust the father did this

2794
02:02:53,790 --> 02:02:51,940
because he knows that Robert has no way

2795
02:02:57,060 --> 02:02:53,800
to make a living like the rest of us and

2796
02:02:59,790 --> 02:02:57,070
he's concerned about how Robert will

2797
02:03:01,740 --> 02:02:59,800
survive okay that's a big question here

2798
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:01,750
he doesn't have a day job he's not

2799
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:03,210
working at the local cafe or something

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02:03:09,439 --> 02:03:06,250
correct is there a reason why he's not

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02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:09,449
working because he is constantly

2802
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:13,570
inundated with these other events they

2803
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:16,090
occur all the time we're not talking

2804
02:03:21,180 --> 02:03:18,130
once in a while it can be two or three

2805
02:03:22,750 --> 02:03:21,190
or four times a day and I cannot keep up

2806
02:03:28,450 --> 02:03:22,760
I

2807
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:28,460
can Robert now has his own website where

2808
02:03:32,530 --> 02:03:30,170
things are being put up not in such

2809
02:03:37,150 --> 02:03:32,540
detail because there isn't time to write

2810
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:37,160
it all in such detail but the idea is to

2811
02:03:42,280 --> 02:03:39,410
what I'm trying to do is provide as

2812
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:42,290
clear and concise and as detailed

2813
02:03:47,380 --> 02:03:45,110
reports as I can so people get the

2814
02:03:50,620 --> 02:03:47,390
general drift of you know we're not

2815
02:03:53,500 --> 02:03:50,630
idiots when these apparition photos the

2816
02:03:55,900 --> 02:03:53,510
photos of people who have died appear I

2817
02:03:58,810 --> 02:03:55,910
knew about this four years before I

2818
02:04:02,200 --> 02:03:58,820
reported it and it wasn't until I had my

2819
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:02,210
first direct experience of it which was

2820
02:04:09,490 --> 02:04:05,210
in 2006 it had been going on for years

2821
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:09,500
but in 2006 when I was with Robert on my

2822
02:04:15,490 --> 02:04:13,010
camera with me standing right with him

2823
02:04:17,530 --> 02:04:15,500
right next to him watching the LED

2824
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:17,540
screen he and I were working that

2825
02:04:22,330 --> 02:04:20,780
particular night we were in his little

2826
02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:22,340
office around 3 o'clock in the morning

2827
02:04:28,330 --> 02:04:26,270
and I was photographing his ability to

2828
02:04:30,940 --> 02:04:28,340
make compass needles move just by

2829
02:04:33,250 --> 02:04:30,950
looking at him and he just learned he

2830
02:04:35,350 --> 02:04:33,260
could bend metal and he could take metal

2831
02:04:38,410 --> 02:04:35,360
objects and stick them to his head and

2832
02:04:40,810 --> 02:04:38,420
walk around and all this stuff and I was

2833
02:04:42,550 --> 02:04:40,820
documenting it with my camera is this

2834
02:04:44,620 --> 02:04:42,560
all documented on your site so we could

2835
02:04:46,630 --> 02:04:44,630
see what's going on the website okay so

2836
02:04:48,370 --> 02:04:46,640
if you go to the VLT research site which

2837
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:48,380
is linked at the power cast com by the

2838
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:50,330
way ladies and gentlemen you could take

2839
02:04:54,670 --> 02:04:53,210
a look at Roberts evidence and decide

2840
02:04:56,200 --> 02:04:54,680
for yourself one way or the other let me

2841
02:04:58,210 --> 02:04:56,210
ask you this does he have a command of

2842
02:05:01,960 --> 02:04:58,220
English sufficient to maybe get him on

2843
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:01,970
the show yes now he does now he does his

2844
02:05:06,460 --> 02:05:04,130
English is not perfect but his English

2845
02:05:07,930 --> 02:05:06,470
is much better than when I first met let

2846
02:05:10,750 --> 02:05:07,940
me finish what I was trying to tell you

2847
02:05:13,210 --> 02:05:10,760
about these a pre-show oh here we are in

2848
02:05:15,460 --> 02:05:13,220
the office the two of us the girls by

2849
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:15,470
this time I remarried and gone the

2850
02:05:18,670 --> 02:05:17,330
parents are sound asleep Robert and I

2851
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:18,680
are the only two people in the house up

2852
02:05:22,990 --> 02:05:20,810
and it's three o'clock or whatever it

2853
02:05:26,410 --> 02:05:23,000
was in the morning and I am focused

2854
02:05:28,630 --> 02:05:26,420
totally on trying to capture him making

2855
02:05:30,580 --> 02:05:28,640
the compass needle go sticking stuff to

2856
02:05:32,170 --> 02:05:30,590
his head whatever because I'm figuring

2857
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:32,180
nobody's gonna believe me if I don't

2858
02:05:35,610 --> 02:05:34,730
take pictures yeah while we're doing

2859
02:05:38,210 --> 02:05:35,620
this

2860
02:05:42,570 --> 02:05:38,220
there comes a very very quiet very

2861
02:05:44,910 --> 02:05:42,580
gentle tap tap tap on the door it was I

2862
02:05:47,100 --> 02:05:44,920
heard it clearly but it was so gentle

2863
02:05:49,710 --> 02:05:47,110
that I would never it would never have

2864
02:05:51,630 --> 02:05:49,720
occurred to me to pay attention Robert

2865
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:51,640
looked up immediately from his side of

2866
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:53,410
the desk and said did you hear that and

2867
02:05:58,980 --> 02:05:56,650
I thought oh I knew if he was noticing

2868
02:06:02,790 --> 02:05:58,990
it that it meant something was getting

2869
02:06:05,670 --> 02:06:02,800
ready to happen so I said yes and he

2870
02:06:08,250 --> 02:06:05,680
came around from his side of the desk we

2871
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:08,260
had one camera only mine which is a

2872
02:06:12,900 --> 02:06:10,000
little point and shoot digital that

2873
02:06:14,700 --> 02:06:12,910
somebody gave to BLT I was holding it

2874
02:06:17,010 --> 02:06:14,710
cuz I was the one doing the taking the

2875
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:17,020
pictures and he asked me if he could use

2876
02:06:22,020 --> 02:06:19,450
it he never touches my camera unless I

2877
02:06:24,570 --> 02:06:22,030
give it to him I handed it to him I had

2878
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:24,580
my head literally touching his so I

2879
02:06:28,410 --> 02:06:26,650
could see the LED screen he holds the

2880
02:06:31,200 --> 02:06:28,420
camera out in front of his face a couple

2881
02:06:34,530 --> 02:06:31,210
of feet he aims it at the door

2882
02:06:36,660 --> 02:06:34,540
and he takes one shot and this man's

2883
02:06:40,410 --> 02:06:36,670
face takes up almost the whole screen

2884
02:06:43,530 --> 02:06:40,420
boom I jumped like I'd been shot like oh

2885
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:43,540
my god because with my eyes I can see

2886
02:06:49,260 --> 02:06:46,330
there's nothing but air between me us

2887
02:06:52,590 --> 02:06:49,270
and the door and yet here is this man's

2888
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:52,600
face on the LED screen literally taking

2889
02:06:56,190 --> 02:06:53,530
up half the screen

2890
02:06:58,050 --> 02:06:56,200
well then Robert went on he knew

2891
02:07:00,750 --> 02:06:58,060
immediately that this was someone who

2892
02:07:03,300 --> 02:07:00,760
had died we had no idea who it was we

2893
02:07:05,370 --> 02:07:03,310
still don't know and he knew that they

2894
02:07:07,620 --> 02:07:05,380
were appearing because they needed help

2895
02:07:10,650 --> 02:07:07,630
of some kind and then over the next

2896
02:07:14,250 --> 02:07:10,660
several minutes he stood there with my

2897
02:07:16,830 --> 02:07:14,260
camera and took a whole series of

2898
02:07:19,050 --> 02:07:16,840
photographs of this man some of the

2899
02:07:21,990 --> 02:07:19,060
shots there is only the door showing

2900
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:22,000
some of the shots it's the guy but there

2901
02:07:25,620 --> 02:07:24,130
are like seven or eight or nine I can't

2902
02:07:28,890 --> 02:07:25,630
remember how many of this man's face

2903
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:28,900
boom boom boom boom five seconds later

2904
02:07:34,770 --> 02:07:31,530
one minute later boom boom boom then

2905
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:34,780
suddenly the man's face stops appearing

2906
02:07:42,390 --> 02:07:39,490
and in the 13th photo a very odd figure

2907
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:42,400
we have no idea what it is but it then

2908
02:07:47,220 --> 02:07:44,800
appeared and it was in then a whole

2909
02:07:48,900 --> 02:07:47,230
bunch of other shots and Robert had the

2910
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:48,910
distinct feeling that

2911
02:07:54,060 --> 02:07:51,850
what he should do was call in the light

2912
02:07:56,910 --> 02:07:54,070
balls because he says that some of the

2913
02:07:58,920 --> 02:07:56,920
light balls are conscious how would I

2914
02:08:02,550 --> 02:07:58,930
say this they're entities of some kind

2915
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:02,560
who are here to help people who are

2916
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:04,690
stuck people who are dead and don't know

2917
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:07,330
it or who are dead and having trouble

2918
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:09,970
making the transition or whatever you

2919
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know I'm starting to think of the TV

2920
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show being human when you talk about

2921
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having trouble making the transition

2922
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that's just how you never seen that no

2923
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:20,050
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Chris you're in the Paradise America's

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one of the witnesses to the Rendlesham

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an ANSI topic joining gene and Kris and

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the power cast covering the work of BLT

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research into crop circles and Robert a

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young man who has had an incredible

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amount of experiences you were about to

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continue with some more very very

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unusual information I'll remember these

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these incidents and are both of our

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opinions are directly related to the

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circle phenomenon which is one of the

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reasons I've been paying such attention

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to it okay so in 2006 I have my first

3050
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personal observation of an unknown human

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beings face appearing on my camera

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repeatedly with me standing right there

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watching then in 2007 a very sad thing

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happened one of my brothers who had been

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living out in the middle of the South

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Pacific on Palau was suddenly diagnosed

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with a terrible cancer and he came back

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to the states to Johns Hopkins in the

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hopes that they could do something but

3060
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he died in June of 2007 I had already

3061
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bought my tickets to go to see Robert in

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August and when I told Robert about this

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he told me some things about Bill that

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were fairly comforting but he also told

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me that he thought my brother would

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appear on my camera when I came and I

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told him no I did not want it I was not

3068
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ready for such a thing I hoped it did

3069
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not happen

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I think Robert knew it was going to

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happen and he was trying to prepare me

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at any rate two months after my

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brother's death I was in Holland with

3074
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Robert and on the second day once I

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recovered from jetlag we went out into

3076
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this wooden head field now this is the

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field where all these crop circles had

3078
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appeared where Robert had disappeared in

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front of witnesses faces a creature had

3080
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appeared in that field there had been a

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whole bunch of interesting things and

3082
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Robert wanted to show me the rest there

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were a few circles that hadn't been cut

3084
02:14:59,310 --> 02:14:56,650
yet and so we went in the afternoon to

3085
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this field simply so that I could see

3086
02:15:04,319 --> 02:15:01,809
what was left of some of these crop

3087
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circles which had appeared and as soon

3088
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as we entered the fie

3089
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we got out and I had my camera in its

3090
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little locked case as I always do with a

3091
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brand new chip in it which I put in

3092
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every day a brand new chip this is a

3093
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memory chip folks which is designed to

3094
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store the files taken by a digital

3095
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camera okay exactly and I have played in

3096
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my handwriting the date and you know

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where we're going so it's my handwriting

3098
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,250
is on this chip and new batteries and

3099
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everything we get to the field and

3100
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almost immediately he says to me your

3101
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brother is here oh this is hard for me

3102
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that's okay just take your time he asked

3103
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me if he got my camera and I took it out

3104
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of the case and I handed it to him and I

3105
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stood right with him as he took sixty

3106
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photos in a row in broad daylight of my

3107
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:59,199
brother's face now my brother had never

3108
02:16:02,939 --> 02:16:00,159
been to Holland

3109
02:16:06,270 --> 02:16:02,949
you know Robert didn't know my brother

3110
02:16:10,140 --> 02:16:06,280
and yet there he was and it's my brother

3111
02:16:12,689 --> 02:16:10,150
now he appeared again on another day and

3112
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it was even stranger what happened then

3113
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but the point is that I have been

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standing right with him now these are

3115
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only two times I have been with him now

3116
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many times when people most of whom I

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don't know and Easter a few years later

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I was there and a whole bunch of

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children appeared kids I have no idea

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who they are

3121
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well this is an interesting question

3122
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here okay so it's possible to find this

3123
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:41,830
guy our reality shows that deal with the

3124
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paranormal crowding his little town

3125
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trying to get interviews with him the

3126
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bunkers are absolutely going nuts right

3127
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now I would expect they would because

3128
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this is something that they'd want to

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try to seize on Oh oh my god they just

3130
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can't stand it they really can't stand

3131
02:17:03,900 --> 02:17:01,870
it Robert and I now know that if we've

3132
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done our job right we're gonna have

3133
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people jumping up and down and if they

3134
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don't jump up and down we figured we

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haven't told them right but how do you

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go about maybe convincing other people

3137
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it's genuine it's your experience it's

3138
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his experience these are personal

3139
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experiences we have the unusual

3140
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photographs

3141
02:17:23,759 --> 02:17:21,370
but can you bring scientists over there

3142
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:23,769
to try to examine him I'll mean make him

3143
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:26,050
a lab rat I don't mean putting on a cage

3144
02:17:32,669 --> 02:17:28,240
and trying to rip them apart you again

3145
02:17:36,290 --> 02:17:32,679
go and read the apparition photos report

3146
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:36,300
because what we've done in this case is

3147
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:39,610
clearly show one of the accusations that

3148
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:43,210
the debunkers make is that Robert number

3149
02:17:48,060 --> 02:17:44,530
first of all they say and he uses the

3150
02:17:50,940 --> 02:17:48,070
internet and these photos of people are

3151
02:17:52,740 --> 02:17:50,950
dead started appearing before he ever

3152
02:17:56,339 --> 02:17:52,750
had a computer he didn't have a computer

3153
02:17:58,379 --> 02:17:56,349
until July of 2006 and you're showing

3154
02:18:00,600 --> 02:17:58,389
very unusual photos here by the way if

3155
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:00,610
you go to the site which is BLT research

3156
02:18:07,650 --> 02:18:04,719
calm slash Robert with two B's dot PHP

3157
02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:07,660
you're going to see what's happening

3158
02:18:11,339 --> 02:18:09,610
down at the bottom or all these reports

3159
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:11,349
and you'll see this apparition photos

3160
02:18:17,520 --> 02:18:15,010
report if you open up part one and then

3161
02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:17,530
scroll down now I show the photograph

3162
02:18:24,930 --> 02:18:21,550
sees Nancy but bringing scientists about

3163
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:24,940
sure talking about an mit-trained photo

3164
02:18:31,650 --> 02:18:29,050
analyst offered his abilities to us we

3165
02:18:33,690 --> 02:18:31,660
took one particular case we took a

3166
02:18:36,419 --> 02:18:33,700
couple of them but the first case is a

3167
02:18:41,780 --> 02:18:36,429
one of a soldier that appeared on

3168
02:18:45,540 --> 02:18:41,790
Roberts camera back in 2004 many times

3169
02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:45,550
we found subsequently actually some

3170
02:18:52,379 --> 02:18:48,969
debunkers skeptics found an image that

3171
02:18:55,230 --> 02:18:52,389
matched very closely this soldier in a

3172
02:18:56,940 --> 02:18:55,240
book and so of course immediately the

3173
02:19:00,419 --> 02:18:56,950
people who do not want to really

3174
02:19:03,150 --> 02:19:00,429
investigate this decided that Oh Robert

3175
02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:03,160
had had this book he had somehow with a

3176
02:19:08,730 --> 02:19:05,889
computer you know taking this image out

3177
02:19:10,860 --> 02:19:08,740
done some Photoshop stuff got it on his

3178
02:19:14,009 --> 02:19:10,870
camera somehow and that's how it was all

3179
02:19:17,459 --> 02:19:14,019
happening so we took the image from the

3180
02:19:21,390 --> 02:19:17,469
book the photo analyst then traced a

3181
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:21,400
very precise line around the image in

3182
02:19:27,780 --> 02:19:24,330
the book he then placed tiny little

3183
02:19:30,990 --> 02:19:27,790
registration dots at certain points

3184
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:31,000
throughout the soldier's body then we

3185
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:31,969
took

3186
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:36,050
any of Roberts soldier photos we resized

3187
02:19:42,009 --> 02:19:39,050
them so they matched exactly the size of

3188
02:19:44,620 --> 02:19:42,019
the soldier in the book and then we

3189
02:19:49,389 --> 02:19:44,630
dropped this outline with all the

3190
02:19:52,750 --> 02:19:49,399
registration dots over Roberts photos if

3191
02:19:55,780 --> 02:19:52,760
in fact it was a copy of that image in

3192
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:55,790
the book the entire outline and

3193
02:20:00,820 --> 02:19:59,120
registration dots should line up if you

3194
02:20:04,179 --> 02:20:00,830
read through the report you'll clearly

3195
02:20:07,809 --> 02:20:04,189
see it they don't the registration dots

3196
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:07,819
are off the outline doesn't match and it

3197
02:20:12,250 --> 02:20:10,399
does it to varying degrees the MIT guy

3198
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:12,260
tried this over and over and over again

3199
02:20:17,650 --> 02:20:15,200
and we have shown the closest matches

3200
02:20:20,650 --> 02:20:17,660
that he could get but even in the

3201
02:20:21,790 --> 02:20:20,660
closest matches it's not a match okay

3202
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:21,800
we're looking at photographic evidence

3203
02:20:27,340 --> 02:20:24,319
we understand that but I mean bringing a

3204
02:20:30,370 --> 02:20:27,350
team of researchers on site when the

3205
02:20:33,160 --> 02:20:30,380
things happen there have been sure and

3206
02:20:36,370 --> 02:20:33,170
there is quite a bit of evidence that is

3207
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not out there in the public arena yet

3208
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but and we're doing what we can do as

3209
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fast as we can in the detail required to

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show people step by step the work that's

3211
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:48,410
been done and what it indicates now the

3212
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site by the way I'm looking at it's on

3213
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Dutch so it has to be translated or you

3214
02:20:58,540 --> 02:20:55,870
can use Google Translate or something to

3215
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manually get the information but it'd be

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nice to have an American or an English

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02:21:06,910 --> 02:21:04,340
language version of Roberts I hope I

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write it as fast as I can that's what

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02:21:12,250 --> 02:21:09,830
the whole thing is about on the BLT site

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02:21:15,010 --> 02:21:12,260
is every bit of the information in

3221
02:21:16,780 --> 02:21:15,020
English and I'm adding more I'm working

3222
02:21:18,969 --> 02:21:16,790
on two reports right now but so this

3223
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mirrors a lot of what he's got on his

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site

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yeah okay now something else that I

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wanted to bring up that might be of

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interest is dr. rolls participation dr.

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William roll in 2008 dr. roll who who's

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a he was an American parapsychologist

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and I had been working with him for

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years he

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I kept him informed about Robert all

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these years and he wanted to meet him

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he wanted to observe it himself and in

3235
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2008 he did come to Holland and spent a

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couple days with us while he was with us

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first of all he bought a brand new

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camera with him that had never been out

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of its box even and we opened it all

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together now we'll go into worth his

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experience with dr. role meeting Robert

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face to face and what happened next with

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the para cast so dr. role be dr. William

3350
02:27:02,870 --> 02:26:59,310
role which explained to our listeners

3351
02:27:06,470 --> 02:27:02,880
precisely who he was he was a very

3352
02:27:08,630 --> 02:27:06,480
important American parapsychologist he

3353
02:27:13,250 --> 02:27:08,640
took over the work down at the Ryan

3354
02:27:16,070 --> 02:27:13,260
Institute when you know Duke when dr.

3355
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:16,080
Rhine died he's written extensively in

3356
02:27:21,790 --> 02:27:18,570
the scientific literature his particular

3357
02:27:24,830 --> 02:27:21,800
area of expertise is our spk this

3358
02:27:28,011 --> 02:27:24,840
recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis

3359
02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:28,021
which was a theory that he developed as

3360
02:27:33,410 --> 02:27:30,210
to something that might explain some of

3361
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:33,420
these events and I had been keeping him

3362
02:27:39,140 --> 02:27:36,960
informed for years about Robert and he

3363
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:39,150
understood what I was telling him to be

3364
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:41,490
accurate and so of course he wanted to

3365
02:27:46,490 --> 02:27:43,530
meet Robert and we were lucky enough

3366
02:27:48,380 --> 02:27:46,500
before he died in 2008 there was a

3367
02:27:51,500 --> 02:27:48,390
conference at the University of Utrecht

3368
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:51,510
and dr. role was invited to participate

3369
02:27:56,630 --> 02:27:54,570
and so I got him over there a couple of

3370
02:28:00,320 --> 02:27:56,640
early you know so that we have some days

3371
02:28:02,690 --> 02:28:00,330
with Robert instead and role bought with

3372
02:28:05,330 --> 02:28:02,700
him a brand new camera that never been

3373
02:28:08,030 --> 02:28:05,340
out of its box we opened it all together

3374
02:28:11,450 --> 02:28:08,040
we put the chip in for the first time

3375
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:11,460
dr. roll carried it out to the fields

3376
02:28:16,040 --> 02:28:14,010
with us that you know Robert and me and

3377
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:16,050
we walked down to Roberts special field

3378
02:28:23,270 --> 02:28:19,760
and the very first shots Robert took

3379
02:28:26,690 --> 02:28:23,280
with dr. Roland me standing right there

3380
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:26,700
in broad daylight the very first three

3381
02:28:33,050 --> 02:28:30,720
shots were UFOs a boom boom boom boom

3382
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:33,060
boom right in a row and I looked at

3383
02:28:37,100 --> 02:28:35,040
Robert now that what in the world this

3384
02:28:39,740 --> 02:28:37,110
is when the UFO photos had just started

3385
02:28:42,620 --> 02:28:39,750
and I didn't understand why in the world

3386
02:28:46,820 --> 02:28:42,630
UFO photos would come on dr. rolls

3387
02:28:48,201 --> 02:28:46,830
camera but not only did they with dr.

3388
02:28:51,321 --> 02:28:48,211
roll right there watching where our

3389
02:28:56,301 --> 02:28:51,331
the whole time also there were three

3390
02:28:58,461 --> 02:28:56,311
different images of men apparently

3391
02:29:01,011 --> 02:28:58,471
deceased we don't know because we don't

3392
02:29:03,591 --> 02:29:01,021
know who they are but if you are looking

3393
02:29:07,131 --> 02:29:03,601
at the apparition photos report and you

3394
02:29:10,310 --> 02:29:07,141
go to part five you will see the images

3395
02:29:11,631 --> 02:29:10,320
of these men that appeared with dr.

3396
02:29:14,331 --> 02:29:11,641
Rolle standing right there watching

3397
02:29:17,331 --> 02:29:14,341
Robert as he did this take these photos

3398
02:29:18,921 --> 02:29:17,341
and then also there was a whole series a

3399
02:29:19,671 --> 02:29:18,931
couple the nights that we went out into

3400
02:29:23,151 --> 02:29:19,681
the field

3401
02:29:25,491 --> 02:29:23,161
there are amazing light phenomena photos

3402
02:29:29,991 --> 02:29:25,501
of a type that we'd never seen occur

3403
02:29:34,100 --> 02:29:30,001
before so you know dr. role after he's

3404
02:29:35,991 --> 02:29:34,110
visit us I was with him alone for a

3405
02:29:38,211 --> 02:29:36,001
little bit and I asked him I said well

3406
02:29:41,091 --> 02:29:38,221
you know what do you make of all this

3407
02:29:44,991 --> 02:29:41,101
what's your opinion and he was totally

3408
02:29:49,220 --> 02:29:45,001
flabbergasted and he said well I guess

3409
02:29:51,921 --> 02:29:49,230
it's some sort of our spk effect he

3410
02:29:55,220 --> 02:29:51,931
didn't know you know he say saw no sign

3411
02:29:57,531 --> 02:29:55,230
of Robert faking anything he thought

3412
02:30:00,201 --> 02:29:57,541
that it should be studied in great depth

3413
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:00,211
he himself at that point was fairly

3414
02:30:06,051 --> 02:30:03,690
elderly and not capable of doing the

3415
02:30:09,560 --> 02:30:06,061
kind of work that should be done by the

3416
02:30:12,791 --> 02:30:09,570
expressed very directly his idea that it

3417
02:30:14,690 --> 02:30:12,801
would be very productive if some serious

3418
02:30:16,761 --> 02:30:14,700
parapsychologists would get involved

3419
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:16,771
well we have to see how the reaction

3420
02:30:20,211 --> 02:30:18,570
works Chris was there a question or two

3421
02:30:22,190 --> 02:30:20,221
of the forms yes we have we have a

3422
02:30:23,361 --> 02:30:22,200
number of questions Jean one that I

3423
02:30:25,821 --> 02:30:23,371
really want to make sure that we have

3424
02:30:28,581 --> 02:30:25,831
time to to pose to Nancy is a good one

3425
02:30:30,381 --> 02:30:28,591
because it dovetails nicely with the

3426
02:30:33,201 --> 02:30:30,391
long thread that we had over the past

3427
02:30:36,501 --> 02:30:33,211
three weeks about Ray Stanford and his

3428
02:30:37,791 --> 02:30:36,511
wish to get his research and analysis in

3429
02:30:39,831 --> 02:30:37,801
front of the mainstream scientific

3430
02:30:42,411 --> 02:30:39,841
community now this comes from Dave

3431
02:30:44,121 --> 02:30:42,421
Murphy who's a fully longtime poster at

3432
02:30:46,371 --> 02:30:44,131
forum dr. Peric ask.com

3433
02:30:47,720 --> 02:30:46,381
and his question Nancy has many think

3434
02:30:50,121 --> 02:30:47,730
that for scientific research of

3435
02:30:52,430 --> 02:30:50,131
anomalous phenomena to be legitimately

3436
02:30:53,720 --> 02:30:52,440
accepted by the scientific community it

3437
02:30:56,480 --> 02:30:53,730
must first appear in an accredited

3438
02:30:58,791 --> 02:30:56,490
peer-reviewed scientific journal dr.

3439
02:31:00,501 --> 02:30:58,801
Levin get good did publish his evidence

3440
02:31:01,830 --> 02:31:00,511
for superheating and the changes in the

3441
02:31:03,929 --> 02:31:01,840
cellular structure of crops

3442
02:31:07,260 --> 02:31:03,939
and crop circles in a peer-reviewed

3443
02:31:09,480 --> 02:31:07,270
scientific journal physiologic or plant

3444
02:31:11,730 --> 02:31:09,490
or his findings not only failed to bring

3445
02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:11,740
about a debate his findings not only

3446
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:13,330
failed to bring the debate to a close

3447
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:15,010
but in fact we're largely ignored by the

3448
02:31:19,260 --> 02:31:17,410
scientific community given levin Goods

3449
02:31:20,849 --> 02:31:19,270
experience what are your thoughts about

3450
02:31:22,710 --> 02:31:20,859
the role of peer-reviewed scientific

3451
02:31:24,660 --> 02:31:22,720
journals in the role they play in

3452
02:31:26,490 --> 02:31:24,670
bringing legitimacy to frontier science

3453
02:31:27,210 --> 02:31:26,500
within the scientific community it's a

3454
02:31:32,940 --> 02:31:27,220
good question

3455
02:31:35,730 --> 02:31:32,950
yeah very good science as it is

3456
02:31:39,889 --> 02:31:35,740
currently understood and practiced is

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02:31:44,360 --> 02:31:39,899
the study of the physical realm right

3458
02:31:49,440 --> 02:31:44,370
things which are physical in nature Oh

3459
02:31:52,050 --> 02:31:49,450
unless science evolves to incorporate I

3460
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mean nowadays with modern science we're

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looking at nano nano I mean I don't even

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know the terminology for these tiny

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little strings and threads and what the

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heck does that woman at Harvard call it

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all brains that you know that there are

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these tiny minut pieces of matter which

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in the quantum on the quantum level

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behave totally differently then they do

3469
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:17,859
not behave in accordance to the rules

3470
02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:22,240
that govern larger physical matter it

3471
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:26,170
may be that quantum mechanics in quantum

3472
02:32:34,139 --> 02:32:30,010
physics will eventually understand

3473
02:32:37,860 --> 02:32:34,149
enough about the quantum world to be

3474
02:32:40,830 --> 02:32:37,870
able to lend some guidelines as how to

3475
02:32:44,330 --> 02:32:40,840
approach the study of this sort of thing

3476
02:32:47,250 --> 02:32:44,340
which appears to be metaphysical

3477
02:32:50,580 --> 02:32:47,260
standard old wine science can't do it it

3478
02:32:53,550 --> 02:32:50,590
doesn't have the tools no nor the

3479
02:32:55,349 --> 02:32:53,560
inclination to go against you know go

3480
02:32:57,929 --> 02:32:55,359
against the flow and possibly jeopardize

3481
02:32:59,820 --> 02:32:57,939
tenure and funding and that sort of

3482
02:33:02,760 --> 02:32:59,830
thing a subject that comes up quite a

3483
02:33:05,070 --> 02:33:02,770
bit on the pair of cast well where do we

3484
02:33:08,969 --> 02:33:05,080
take this whole proto scientific

3485
02:33:11,010 --> 02:33:08,979
approach to new energy and and try to

3486
02:33:13,020 --> 02:33:11,020
create a new scientific paradigm for

3487
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:13,030
this what I work there's one we're all

3488
02:33:16,921 --> 02:33:13,690
doing you

3489
02:33:18,871 --> 02:33:16,931
included us who are carefully

3490
02:33:21,480 --> 02:33:18,881
documenting these things we don't

3491
02:33:23,730 --> 02:33:21,490
understand the more careful the more

3492
02:33:26,310 --> 02:33:23,740
precise we are the better foundation

3493
02:33:29,761 --> 02:33:26,320
we're locked where were laying for

3494
02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:29,771
eventual serious you know research from

3495
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:32,410
the dairies of physics from

3496
02:33:38,490 --> 02:33:35,530
consciousness research who knows what

3497
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:38,500
else I'm not sure what else but I think

3498
02:33:43,140 --> 02:33:40,570
we are all doing that right now we're

3499
02:33:47,480 --> 02:33:43,150
starting to lay this this foundation

3500
02:33:52,291 --> 02:33:47,490
upon which new science will eventually

3501
02:33:54,270 --> 02:33:52,301
develop and grow right I really do think

3502
02:33:57,600 --> 02:33:54,280
that that their heads out of their

3503
02:33:59,700 --> 02:33:57,610
closets well you know you know right now

3504
02:34:01,890 --> 02:33:59,710
you have to remember that most modern

3505
02:34:02,220 --> 02:34:01,900
science it's this is not like 100 years

3506
02:34:04,770 --> 02:34:02,230
ago

3507
02:34:06,001 --> 02:34:04,780
our scientists pursued things simply

3508
02:34:09,331 --> 02:34:06,011
because they were brilliant and

3509
02:34:13,230 --> 02:34:09,341
interested now science is funded by what

3510
02:34:15,810 --> 02:34:13,240
big business big pharma by people who

3511
02:34:19,230 --> 02:34:15,820
want to make money at something right

3512
02:34:21,211 --> 02:34:19,240
until they see a reason to study this

3513
02:34:23,820 --> 02:34:21,221
until they understand a way to make

3514
02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:23,830
money from something like this the

3515
02:34:27,871 --> 02:34:25,210
profit motive you're not gonna have a

3516
02:34:30,060 --> 02:34:27,881
lot of funding for the work no I like

3517
02:34:32,520 --> 02:34:30,070
the entire problem here of course yes

3518
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:32,530
and scientists just like you and me they

3519
02:34:38,310 --> 02:34:35,200
have rent to pay braces to buy for their

3520
02:34:40,591 --> 02:34:38,320
children you know whatever they cannot

3521
02:34:44,041 --> 02:34:40,601
live with no money any better than you

3522
02:34:46,650 --> 02:34:44,051
and I right and sometimes psychically a

3523
02:34:49,860 --> 02:34:46,660
big part of the problem that as long as

3524
02:34:52,470 --> 02:34:49,870
our cultures continue to pursue only

3525
02:34:55,860 --> 02:34:52,480
those things which produce financial

3526
02:34:58,770 --> 02:34:55,870
profit and this is all going to go very

3527
02:35:00,900 --> 02:34:58,780
slowly until such a time well maybe we

3528
02:35:02,911 --> 02:35:00,910
should try to talk Robert into going to

3529
02:35:06,091 --> 02:35:02,921
the Irish sweets sweepstakes oh maybe

3530
02:35:08,970 --> 02:35:06,101
down to the Kentucky Derby and then we

3531
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:08,980
head out we could get our funding maybe

3532
02:35:14,940 --> 02:35:12,160
should have participated in Powerball

3533
02:35:16,591 --> 02:35:14,950
Chris because he could have made you

3534
02:35:18,871 --> 02:35:16,601
know several hundred million dollars

3535
02:35:21,331 --> 02:35:18,881
that would give us all the funding any

3536
02:35:23,341 --> 02:35:21,341
of us need to maybe learn a few answers

3537
02:35:26,349 --> 02:35:23,351
well I said it in jest because I know

3538
02:35:28,359 --> 02:35:26,359
darn darn well that by and large these

3539
02:35:31,630 --> 02:35:28,369
of abilities do not translate well to

3540
02:35:35,380 --> 02:35:31,640
picking lottery numbers and anything

3541
02:35:37,420 --> 02:35:35,390
that involves self profit motive and

3542
02:35:38,109 --> 02:35:37,430
that sort of thing I understand that we

3543
02:35:39,849 --> 02:35:38,119
understand that

3544
02:35:41,500 --> 02:35:39,859
Nancy Talbert Keller listeners where

3545
02:35:44,590 --> 02:35:41,510
they can get more of the things you do

3546
02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:44,600
more information about it okay for the

3547
02:35:50,469 --> 02:35:47,449
english-speaking people please go to BLT

3548
02:35:52,659 --> 02:35:50,479
research comm scroll down on the left

3549
02:35:56,349 --> 02:35:52,669
hand side menu to the vend and broke

3550
02:35:58,869 --> 02:35:56,359
case that opens Roberts page down at the

3551
02:36:01,929 --> 02:35:58,879
bottom of that page there are dozens of

3552
02:36:04,449 --> 02:36:01,939
different individual reports in great

3553
02:36:07,330 --> 02:36:04,459
depth perhaps too much depth for some

3554
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:07,340
people but do that first to inform

3555
02:36:12,729 --> 02:36:09,770
yourself of the basic thing that's going

3556
02:36:16,149 --> 02:36:12,739
on and then there is quite delightfully

3557
02:36:21,130 --> 02:36:16,159
now Robert has finally gotten a site of

3558
02:36:25,739 --> 02:36:21,140
his own started this is a wwr Bert van

3559
02:36:30,069 --> 02:36:25,749
den Broeck and Robert is our OB be er t

3560
02:36:32,559 --> 02:36:30,079
dot NL /home there I'll tell you what

3561
02:36:35,319 --> 02:36:32,569
folks we'll put a link up at the para

3562
02:36:37,149 --> 02:36:35,329
cast com so when you see Roberts name

3563
02:36:39,309 --> 02:36:37,159
you can go right to his site and check

3564
02:36:42,369 --> 02:36:39,319
it out Chris up Ryan of course has our

3565
02:36:44,949 --> 02:36:42,379
strange planet comm which is now in the

3566
02:36:46,269 --> 02:36:44,959
midst of a major redesign I've seen what

3567
02:36:48,159 --> 02:36:46,279
they doing it's gonna be fabulous

3568
02:36:50,469 --> 02:36:48,169
Nancy Talbot thanks for joining us this

3569
02:36:55,091 --> 02:36:50,479
week on the para cast thank you for

3570
02:37:01,491 --> 02:36:58,610
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3571
02:37:04,480 --> 02:37:01,501
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3572
02:37:08,421 --> 02:37:04,490
presentation of making the impossible